Cracking of rubber vacuum lines and gas lines

emerystora

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Here is a posting from 12 years ago on the topic that was discussed yesterday about cracking hoses.

> Since the coach has been "resting" since the GMCWS rally, yesterday
> was start and run day for it and the Onan . Fired everything up,
> turned on the AC and walked away to clean up the shop etc. Came back
> in about 10 minutes, looked underneath and there was a lake..of
> gasoline. Quickly shut everything off hoping for no errant sparks,
> and started looking for the leak. It was a pressure fed leak on the
> line coming from the electric fuel pump to the fwd steel line that goes to
> the mechanical fuel pump.
> I replaced every hose in the fuel system 6 years ago with top quality
> NAPA dedicated fuel line hose. I strongly urge anyone with a GMC that
> hasn't checked or replaced your fuel lines in the past 5 years to do a
> thorough inspection.
> The hose I replaced had many cracks along it's entire length.
>
> -- Steve Ferguson

Steve - that is exactly why all my fuel lines and my transmission cooler lines are all steel. I have used 3/8" steel brake tubing to form the lines. I have a short piece of stainless braided teflon "hose" to connect the steel line to the electric fuel pump which is alongside my outside frame rail but everything in the engine compartment is solid steel, from the fuel pump forward.

I find that even my rubber vacuum lines will crack from time to time. I also had a rubber cap over one of the unused inlets to the base of my TBI system. It would crack about every year or so. I finally crimped it off and brazed it shut.

I suspect that the rubber deterioration is accelerated by the higher temperature in the engine box and the stretching of the rubber, either by internal pressure as you have found with your fuel hose, or the stretching of the rubber cap over the TBI base nipple that I experienced. Vacuum lines last longer as they don't have any internal pressure and the rubber will stand up to compression better than tension. However, I examine them and replace them as necessary. They also usually fail where they are put over a fitting.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
 
We have had some luck using a soft plastic type plug caps to plug up open
ends.
They are available at Automotive Parts supply.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Emery Stora via Gmclist <

> Here is a posting from 12 years ago on the topic that was discussed
> yesterday about cracking hoses.
>
>

>
> > Since the coach has been "resting" since the GMCWS rally, yesterday
> > was start and run day for it and the Onan . Fired everything up,
> > turned on the AC and walked away to clean up the shop etc. Came back
> > in about 10 minutes, looked underneath and there was a lake..of
> > gasoline. Quickly shut everything off hoping for no errant sparks,
> > and started looking for the leak. It was a pressure fed leak on the
> > line coming from the electric fuel pump to the fwd steel line that goes
> to
> > the mechanical fuel pump.
> > I replaced every hose in the fuel system 6 years ago with top quality
> > NAPA dedicated fuel line hose. I strongly urge anyone with a GMC that
> > hasn't checked or replaced your fuel lines in the past 5 years to do a
> > thorough inspection.
> > The hose I replaced had many cracks along it's entire length.
> >
> > -- Steve Ferguson
>
> Steve - that is exactly why all my fuel lines and my transmission cooler
> lines are all steel. I have used 3/8" steel brake tubing to form the
> lines. I have a short piece of stainless braided teflon "hose" to connect
> the steel line to the electric fuel pump which is alongside my outside
> frame rail but everything in the engine compartment is solid steel, from
> the fuel pump forward.
>
> I find that even my rubber vacuum lines will crack from time to time. I
> also had a rubber cap over one of the unused inlets to the base of my TBI
> system. It would crack about every year or so. I finally crimped it off
> and brazed it shut.
>
> I suspect that the rubber deterioration is accelerated by the higher
> temperature in the engine box and the stretching of the rubber, either by
> internal pressure as you have found with your fuel hose, or the stretching
> of the rubber cap over the TBI base nipple that I experienced. Vacuum
> lines last longer as they don't have any internal pressure and the rubber
> will stand up to compression better than tension. However, I examine them
> and replace them as necessary. They also usually fail where they are put
> over a fitting.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Santa Fe, NM
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
You can also get them on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vacuum-Line-Caps-1-8-3-16-1-4-3-8-5-16-Fits-Chevy-Ford-Mopar-Assorted-Kit/180999129222?hash=item2a24638886%3Ag%3ACYUAAOxybi9Rdk9M&_sacat=0&_nkw=vacuum+line+caps&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0.H1.Xvacuum+line+.TRS0.TSS0
or
http://tinyurl.com/yd2ojpu2

Just do a search for vacuum line caps and loads of them pop up.

JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

>
> We have had some luck using a soft plastic type plug caps to plug up open
> ends.
> They are available at Automotive Parts supply.
>
> On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:25 AM, Emery Stora via Gmclist <

>
>> Here is a posting from 12 years ago on the topic that was discussed
>> yesterday about cracking hoses.
>>
>>

>>
>>> Since the coach has been "resting" since the GMCWS rally, yesterday
>>> was start and run day for it and the Onan . Fired everything up,
>>> turned on the AC and walked away to clean up the shop etc. Came back
>>> in about 10 minutes, looked underneath and there was a lake..of
>>> gasoline. Quickly shut everything off hoping for no errant sparks,
>>> and started looking for the leak. It was a pressure fed leak on the
>>> line coming from the electric fuel pump to the fwd steel line that goes
>> to
>>> the mechanical fuel pump.
>>> I replaced every hose in the fuel system 6 years ago with top quality
>>> NAPA dedicated fuel line hose. I strongly urge anyone with a GMC that
>>> hasn't checked or replaced your fuel lines in the past 5 years to do a
>>> thorough inspection.
>>> The hose I replaced had many cracks along it's entire length.
>>>
>>> -- Steve Ferguson
>>
>> Steve - that is exactly why all my fuel lines and my transmission cooler
>> lines are all steel. I have used 3/8" steel brake tubing to form the
>> lines. I have a short piece of stainless braided teflon "hose" to connect
>> the steel line to the electric fuel pump which is alongside my outside
>> frame rail but everything in the engine compartment is solid steel, from
>> the fuel pump forward.
>>
>> I find that even my rubber vacuum lines will crack from time to time. I
>> also had a rubber cap over one of the unused inlets to the base of my TBI
>> system. It would crack about every year or so. I finally crimped it off
>> and brazed it shut.
>>
>> I suspect that the rubber deterioration is accelerated by the higher
>> temperature in the engine box and the stretching of the rubber, either by
>> internal pressure as you have found with your fuel hose, or the stretching
>> of the rubber cap over the TBI base nipple that I experienced. Vacuum
>> lines last longer as they don't have any internal pressure and the rubber
>> will stand up to compression better than tension. However, I examine them
>> and replace them as necessary. They also usually fail where they are put
>> over a fitting.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
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Went out to the shop and you can get them from AutoZone under part

https://www.autozone.com/ignition-tune-up-and-routine-maintenance/vacuum-cap/help-vacuum-cap/365550_0_0?&searchText=47388

Then also offer a vacuum connection assortment under part# 47380

https://www.autozone.com/fittings-and-hose-line-connectors/vacuum-connector-and-tubing/dorman-65-pcs-vacuum-tubing-connector-assortment/429544_0_0?&searchText=47380

JR Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

>
> You can also get them on eBay:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vacuum-Line-Caps-1-8-3-16-1-4-3-8-5-16-Fits-Chevy-Ford-Mopar-Assorted-Kit/180999129222?hash=item2a24638886%3Ag%3ACYUAAOxybi9Rdk9M&_sacat=0&_nkw=vacuum+line+caps&_from=R40&rt=nc&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1311.R3.TR11.TRC1.A0.H1.Xvacuum+line+.TRS0.TSS0
> or
> http://tinyurl.com/yd2ojpu2
>
> Just do a search for vacuum line caps and loads of them pop up.
>
> JR Wright
> GMC Great Laker MHC
> GMC Eastern States Charter Member
> GMCGL Tech Editor
> GMCMI
> 78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
> 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
> Michigan
>