Covid and Ozone gennie

[Dean The ResourcefulNorse]

Dave; and others;



Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be better
off putting things into your microwave.



How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control for
things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.



Just what happened on my watch.



Dean hanson 75 Avion

Fremont, Ca

 

[jim kanomata1]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist <

> Dave; and others;
>
>
>
> Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
> there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be better
> off putting things into your microwave.
>
>
>
> How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
> for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control for
> things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
>
>
>
> Just what happened on my watch.
>
>
>
> Dean hanson 75 Avion
>
> Fremont, Ca
>

Dean,

that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply the
Ozone units.
Tks for pointing it out.

>

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[Jim Hupy]

Kinda like 45 minutes in a tanning booth. Not a good idea. Ozone,
UltraViolet Lights, Infra-Red, arc welders, and an old timer, carbon arc
torch used for brazing, all have their places.
But killing virus is not a good use for any of them.
Kinda like taking aquarium cleaner for internal medicine because one
of the ingredients sounds the same as the medicine used for malaria. Killed
one, nearly killed another. Idiots come in all forms, I guess.
I think I will just shelter in place, and avoid them all.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist <

>
> > Dave; and others;
> >
> >
> >
> > Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you put in
> > there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be
> better
> > off putting things into your microwave.
> >
> >
> >
> > How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the bilge
> > for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage control
> for
> > things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just what happened on my watch.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dean hanson 75 Avion
> >
> > Fremont, Ca
> >
>
> Dean,
>
> that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply the
> Ozone units.
> Tks for pointing it out.
>
> >
>
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[john r. lebetski]

Ozone - bad. My girlfriends house had a roofer caused fire. The restoration company took everything out and restored the savable items by de-smoking
them with ozone. Then after a year, everything with vinyl, rubber or plastics completely disintegrated and was trash. Shoes and handbags fell apart
when touched. I cringe when detailers put a generator in a car thinking of all the vacuum hoses and electronics under the dashboard.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

 

[dave stragand1]

Actually, yes, ozone sterilization of medical equipment is certainly a
good use, and a widely-accepted practice. For our stuff, we've never
had any damage or discoloration of anything of the thousands of items we
have treated in the 8+ years we've been using it, but I suppose it's
possible. We don't leave stuff in there permanently, either, like in
the boat bilge. Zap, and remove. We've also used it successfully on
the interiors of multiple vehicles, as ozone is the professional
treatment of choice for odor removal in the auto reconditioning field.
I certainly would not recommending using it in your home or breathing it
or anything like that. It's in a sealed cooler.

If you'd like to read more, check out these recent articles:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ozones-effectiveness-killing-sars-coronav
irus-000000776.html
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/ozone-can-be-used-to-destroy-the-n
ew-coronavirus-and-disinfect-areas

Anyway, it's just a suggestion. We already had this stuff on hand and
in use, so we're using it. As for effectiveness? Hard to say. "Your
mileage may vary". =)

-Dave
1978 Transmode near Pittsburgh

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Kinda like 45 minutes in a tanning booth. Not a good idea. Ozone,
UltraViolet Lights, Infra-Red, arc welders, and an old timer, carbon arc
torch used for brazing, all have their places.
But killing virus is not a good use for any of them.
Kinda like taking aquarium cleaner for internal medicine because
one
of the ingredients sounds the same as the medicine used for malaria.
Killed
one, nearly killed another. Idiots come in all forms, I guess.
I think I will just shelter in place, and avoid them all.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 11:01 AM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 10:19 AM Hanson Email via Gmclist <

>
> > Dave; and others;
> >
> >
> >
> > Be aware, that the ozone will/may harm/soften any rubber that you
put in
> > there as well as potentially change the color of things. You may be
> better
> > off putting things into your microwave.
> >
> >
> >
> > How do I know? Installed several below boat deck in places like the
bilge
> > for odor control. Then after a period of time, went into damage
control
> for
> > things like water hoses, stored carpet, wiring, etc.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just what happened on my watch.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dean hanson 75 Avion
> >
> > Fremont, Ca
> >
>
> Dean,
>
> that is one of the reason why on the Air Filter side, we do not supply
the
> Ozone units.
> Tks for pointing it out.
>
> >
>
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[Matt Colie]

Ozone is not all bad.
It is the way the nature cleans itself. You know how good things smell after a thunder storm?

Yes, in high concentrations it can rip up lots of stuff, microorganisms among them.
It is actually a much safer way to sterilize water than is chlorine.
But, unlike the halogen family, ozone cannot create toxic by products.
And yes, when a used car place puts even a low power unit to get the stale cigarette smoke out so then can sell the unit, they have been known to
leave it there too long and do a lot of damage.

One of the problems that got overlooked years ago was that everybody though ozone was just O3....
WrongO.... It is O++. So the activity is way higher than most believed.

Matt who had to learn all about this to keep a job at one time.

--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit

 

[john r. lebetski]

Ok-- my "Ozone bad" was in context of using it in the coach as a deodorizer. Serves many functions in industry and nature, not to mention the
atmospheric ozone layer.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II

 

[Matt Colie]

Richard RV wrote and Matt Colie replied
> One of the problems that got overlooked years ago was that everybody though ozone was just O3....
> WrongO.... It is O++. So the activity is way higher than most believed.
>
> Matt who had to learn all about this to keep a job at one time.
> ***********
> Matt,
> I'm intrigued by this as I always thought the "definition" of ozone was O3.
> Having just now searched a bit everything I found pointed to ozone = O3.
>
> What would be a good search term for further clarification?
>
> Richard

I can't begin to tell you where to find this, they were papers published in the journal of the International Ozone Institute. Two of the papers that
were published as a result of experiments done by Julius leRoss and Orvil Feather. I had joined the IOI at that time, but let the membership lapse
long ago.

This was part of a water purification system development using ozone. They needed to find out how much ozone needed to be created to accomplish the
task. The experiments continually showed a synergism that was unexpected. They (we I was involved because I had the skills required to build the
experiments) set up final experiments that allowed tracking the reactions on a by-mole basis. The initial calibrations were way off because the
actual activity was much higher than expected. In the final experiments, a three to one unexpected synergism was confirmed. Others (I did not know
these people) wrote that this should have been expected because if you were thinking you were making ozone by creating O3, you had to be splitting O2
to get the loose O to do it. Then, once loose, why would it bother join with existing O2?

Still interested?
I got involved because development people always talk around the coffee pot. Orvil and Julius were trying to thing of a way to determine how much
ozone they were actually creating. I was running an emissions rack for the Thermasan development. We took one of their experimental ozone
generators (I have forgotten if this one was UV or Corona version) and fed it zero gas (79N2-21O2)that I used in the rack calibration. Then we looked
at the amount of NOx coming out....
Clear as a bell was the three for one.....

That was 40 years ago and I am surprised that I remember that much.

Matt - not eager to get into the slow summer.
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit