Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on Weights

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thomas g. warner

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Fred clip on weights can be had with a polymer(or something similar) coating
that is acceptable on Alloy wheels. My 1987 Corvette came from the factory
with them. I enquired of GM engineers as to their acceptability and was
assured that they are fine. Still have the original wheels and tires on the
car and corrosion does not seem to have happened yet.

>Paul,
>
>I noted your accurate observation on the galvanic cell effect sometime ago
>
>Do you know of a method for an owner to accurately convert to "tape-on"
>weights without paying a shop to rebalance each wheel/tire? I had the new
>tires (225x75x16 Goodyear G159) and Alcoa wheels delivered directly to the
>tire shop; they had already completed the mounting/balancing with clip-on
>weights when I drove the GMC MH to the shop for the change-over. I failed to
>specify the tape-on weights in advance.
>
>The galvanic cell problem may not be as great for a coach based here in Texas
>as it probably is in Michigan. I, however, did have a minor corrosion problem
>with aluminum alloy passenger wheels with clip-on weights in Alaska.
>
>Fred Hudspeth
>
>
>Subject: RE: Alcoa Wheels & Tires
>
>Patrick:
>
>Hope you're having whoever balances, use the tape-on vs. the clip-on
>style weights, which are of dissimilar metal and will in due time cause
>corrosion on the aluminum wheel.
>
>To preclude loosening of the adhesive on the tape-on weights from rain
>water, run a small bead of silicon sealant around each weight perimeter
>where it meets the wheel.
>
> Paul Bartz>>
>
>
 
> Fred:
>
> I'm not aware of such a method.
>
> Tape-on weights are normally placed on the center line of the back
> side or inside of a wheel. Clip-on are normally placed, half of the
> required weight, on each side of the wheel rim. A big difference in
> balancing and not the same center of gravity.
>
> The galvonic action results when dissimiliar metals are in contact
> with one another. The less noble metal, aluminum in our example,
> corrodes because of the difference in electrical potential of the
> metal's caused by the difference in the number of electrons in each
> element's outer orbit. This is getting a bit deep!
>
> I don't know that geography has anything to do with the process? It
> might be accelerated by the presence of salt?
>
> Paul Bartz
> ----------
> From: FBHUDSPETH
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Sent: 6/21/98 8:54:08 AM
> Subject: GMC: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on Weights
>
> Paul,
>
> I noted your accurate observation on the galvanic cell effect sometime
> ago
>
> Do you know of a method for an owner to accurately convert to
> "tape-on"
> weights without paying a shop to rebalance each wheel/tire? I had the
> new
> tires (225x75x16 Goodyear G159) and Alcoa wheels delivered directly to
> the
> tire shop; they had already completed the mounting/balancing with
> clip-on
> weights when I drove the GMC MH to the shop for the change-over. I
> failed to
> specify the tape-on weights in advance.
>
> The galvanic cell problem may not be as great for a coach based here
> in Texas
> as it probably is in Michigan. I, however, did have a minor corrosion
> problem
> with aluminum alloy passenger wheels with clip-on weights in Alaska.
>
> Fred Hudspeth
>
>
> Subject: RE: Alcoa Wheels & Tires
>
> Patrick:
>
> Hope you're having whoever balances, use the tape-on vs. the clip-on
> style weights, which are of dissimilar metal and will in due time
> cause
> corrosion on the aluminum wheel.
>
> To preclude loosening of the adhesive on the tape-on weights from rain
> water, run a small bead of silicon sealant around each weight
> perimeter
> where it meets the wheel.
>
> Paul Bartz>>
>
 
I am not aware of a process to balance a tire and rim by putting weights of
any type on only one side of the rim unless the computer calculated the mass
inbalance to come out like that. I would think it highly unlikely however.
To computer balance the tire and rim the technician must measure the
diameter and width of the tire so that computer will accurately calculate
the proper points on the inside and outside of the rim to affix the weights,
which are normally different weights. The Hoffman balancer goes one step
farther and will balance the combination with the lowest possible weights by
fitting the tire to the rim so manufacturing mass differences are reduced.
Maybe someone else can explain how one could balance a tire and rim with
weights only on one side.

>> Fred:
>>
>> I'm not aware of such a method.
>>
>> Tape-on weights are normally placed on the center line of the back
>> side or inside of a wheel. Clip-on are normally placed, half of the
>> required weight, on each side of the wheel rim. A big difference in
>> balancing and not the same center of gravity.
>>
>> The galvonic action results when dissimiliar metals are in contact
>> with one another. The less noble metal, aluminum in our example,
>> corrodes because of the difference in electrical potential of the
>> metal's caused by the difference in the number of electrons in each
>> element's outer orbit. This is getting a bit deep!
>>
>> I don't know that geography has anything to do with the process? It
>> might be accelerated by the presence of salt?
>>
>> Paul Bartz
>> ----------
>> From: FBHUDSPETH
>> To: gmcmotorhome
>> Sent: 6/21/98 8:54:08 AM
>> Subject: GMC: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on Weights
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I noted your accurate observation on the galvanic cell effect sometime
>> ago
>>
>> Do you know of a method for an owner to accurately convert to
>> "tape-on"
>> weights without paying a shop to rebalance each wheel/tire? I had the
>> new
>> tires (225x75x16 Goodyear G159) and Alcoa wheels delivered directly to
>> the
>> tire shop; they had already completed the mounting/balancing with
>> clip-on
>> weights when I drove the GMC MH to the shop for the change-over. I
>> failed to
>> specify the tape-on weights in advance.
>>
>> The galvanic cell problem may not be as great for a coach based here
>> in Texas
>> as it probably is in Michigan. I, however, did have a minor corrosion
>> problem
>> with aluminum alloy passenger wheels with clip-on weights in Alaska.
>>
>> Fred Hudspeth
>>
>>
>> From: "Bartz, Paul"
>> Subject: RE: Alcoa Wheels & Tires
>>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Hope you're having whoever balances, use the tape-on vs. the clip-on
>> style weights, which are of dissimilar metal and will in due time
>> cause
>> corrosion on the aluminum wheel.
>>
>> To preclude loosening of the adhesive on the tape-on weights from rain
>> water, run a small bead of silicon sealant around each weight
>> perimeter
>> where it meets the wheel.
>>
>> Paul Bartz>>
>>
>
>
 
Thom:

Did somebody say that they were using weights on only one side of the
wheel?

Perhaps, I wasn't clear when I was trying to explain that the tape-on
weights are affixed to the center line of a wheel?

Paul Bartz

> From: Thomas G. Warner [SMTP:warner]
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 1:07 PM
> Subject: Re: GMC: FW: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on
> Weights
>
> I am not aware of a process to balance a tire and rim by putting
> weights of any type on only one side of the rim unless the computer
> calculated the mass inbalance to come out like that. I would think it
> highly unlikely however. To computer balance the tire and rim the
> technician must measure the diameter and width of the tire so that
> computer will accurately calculate the proper points on the inside and
> outside of the rim to affix the weights, which are normally different
> weights. The Hoffman balancer goes one step farther and will balance
> the combination with the lowest possible weights by fitting the tire
> to the rim so manufacturing mass differences are reduced.
> Maybe someone else can explain how one could balance a tire and rim
> with weights only on one side.
>

>
> Fred:
>
> I'm not aware of such a method.
>
> Tape-on weights are normally placed on the center line of the back
> side or inside of a wheel. Clip-on are normally placed, half of the
> required weight, on each side of the wheel rim. A big difference in
> balancing and not the same center of gravity.
>
> The galvonic action results when dissimiliar metals are in contact
> with one another. The less noble metal, aluminum in our example,
> corrodes because of the difference in electrical potential of the
> metal's caused by the difference in the number of electrons in each
> element's outer orbit. This is getting a bit deep!
>
> I don't know that geography has anything to do with the process? It
> might be accelerated by the presence of salt?
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: FBHUDSPETH
> Sent: 6/21/98 8:54:08 AM
> Subject: GMC: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on Weights
>
> Paul,
>
> I noted your accurate observation on the galvanic cell effect sometime
> ago
>
> Do you know of a method for an owner to accurately convert to
> "tape-on" weights without paying a shop to rebalance each wheel/tire?
> I had the new tires (225x75x16 Goodyear G159) and Alcoa wheels
> delivered directly to the tire shop; they had already completed the
> mounting/balancing with clip-on weights when I drove the GMC MH to the
> shop for the change-over. I failed to specify the tape-on weights in
> advance.
>
> The galvanic cell problem may not be as great for a coach based here
> in Texas as it probably is in Michigan. I, however, did have a minor
> corrosion problem with aluminum alloy passenger wheels with clip-on
> weights in Alaska.
>
> Fred Hudspeth
>
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:54:17 -0400
> From: "Bartz, Paul"
> Subject: RE: Alcoa Wheels & Tires
>
> Patrick:
>
> Hope you're having whoever balances, use the tape-on vs. the clip-on
> style weights, which are of dissimilar metal and will in due time
> cause corrosion on the aluminum wheel.
>
> To preclude loosening of the adhesive on the tape-on weights from rain
> water, run a small bead of silicon sealant around each weight
> perimeter where it meets the wheel.
>
> Paul Bartz
 
paul I don't understand. How do you tape them on the center line of the wheel?

>Thom:
>
>Did somebody say that they were using weights on only one side of the
>wheel?
>
>Perhaps, I wasn't clear when I was trying to explain that the tape-on
>weights are affixed to the center line of a wheel?
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>> From: Thomas G. Warner [SMTP:warner]
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 1998 1:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: GMC: FW: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on
>> Weights
>>
>> I am not aware of a process to balance a tire and rim by putting
>> weights of any type on only one side of the rim unless the computer
>> calculated the mass inbalance to come out like that. I would think it
>> highly unlikely however. To computer balance the tire and rim the
>> technician must measure the diameter and width of the tire so that
>> computer will accurately calculate the proper points on the inside and
>> outside of the rim to affix the weights, which are normally different
>> weights. The Hoffman balancer goes one step farther and will balance
>> the combination with the lowest possible weights by fitting the tire
>> to the rim so manufacturing mass differences are reduced.
>> Maybe someone else can explain how one could balance a tire and rim
>> with weights only on one side.
>>

>>
>> Fred:
>>
>> I'm not aware of such a method.
>>
>> Tape-on weights are normally placed on the center line of the back
>> side or inside of a wheel. Clip-on are normally placed, half of the
>> required weight, on each side of the wheel rim. A big difference in
>> balancing and not the same center of gravity.
>>
>> The galvonic action results when dissimiliar metals are in contact
>> with one another. The less noble metal, aluminum in our example,
>> corrodes because of the difference in electrical potential of the
>> metal's caused by the difference in the number of electrons in each
>> element's outer orbit. This is getting a bit deep!
>>
>> I don't know that geography has anything to do with the process? It
>> might be accelerated by the presence of salt?
>>
>> Paul Bartz
>>
>> From: FBHUDSPETH
>> Sent: 6/21/98 8:54:08 AM
>> Subject: GMC: Conversion From Clip-on Weights to Tape-on Weights
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I noted your accurate observation on the galvanic cell effect sometime
>> ago
>>
>> Do you know of a method for an owner to accurately convert to
>> "tape-on" weights without paying a shop to rebalance each wheel/tire?
>> I had the new tires (225x75x16 Goodyear G159) and Alcoa wheels
>> delivered directly to the tire shop; they had already completed the
>> mounting/balancing with clip-on weights when I drove the GMC MH to the
>> shop for the change-over. I failed to specify the tape-on weights in
>> advance.
>>
>> The galvanic cell problem may not be as great for a coach based here
>> in Texas as it probably is in Michigan. I, however, did have a minor
>> corrosion problem with aluminum alloy passenger wheels with clip-on
>> weights in Alaska.
>>
>> Fred Hudspeth
>>
>> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 1998 15:54:17 -0400
>> From: "Bartz, Paul"
>> Subject: RE: Alcoa Wheels & Tires
>>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> Hope you're having whoever balances, use the tape-on vs. the clip-on
>> style weights, which are of dissimilar metal and will in due time
>> cause corrosion on the aluminum wheel.
>>
>> To preclude loosening of the adhesive on the tape-on weights from rain
>> water, run a small bead of silicon sealant around each weight
>> perimeter where it meets the wheel.
>>
>> Paul Bartz
>
>
 
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