Coatings for exhaust headers

thomas g. warner

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Just got off the phone with Dan Swain CEO of Swain Technology Inc and talked
to him about having my Thorley headers coated with his proprietory white
lightning coating. The price is approximately $225.

I looked at the other industry coatings, Jethot, HPC etc and thought after
much reading that they were inferior to the Swain process for drastically
cutting down exhaust header heat inside the engine compartment. Dan
confirmed this. His process cuts down over 60% of the heat we are now
experiencing. REally hope it works.

I have suggested to him that he consider a discount to other members of the
net and he will be getting back to me shortly. Here is some of the details
of the process.

http://swaintech.com/sindex.html

Mention coatings to racers, and responses are likely to be mixed. Some
believe the technology is just for well financed Winston Cup and Grand
National teams. Others compare coatings to snake oil, and still others think
they can solve every racer's performance and reliability problems. Here's
the truth of the matter. Coatings have come of age. They've evolved through
five generations, and a sixth is almost upon us. Coatings now offer improved
durability at every level, from Saturday night racers to the Daytona 500.
In the 1970's, while working for a company that made ceramic industrial
coatings, I applied my ceramic engineering background to developing a
coating for piston domes. My three brothers and I also owned a NASCAR
modified that we ran at local tracks. Our ceramic coating was plasma-sprayed
onto piston domes .015" thick. We tested it extensively in our own race car
before offering to sell it to anyone. Not surprisingly, weekend racers were
reluctant to invest in our unproved product. But Winston Cup engine builders
began asking us to coat their pistons. One of the first to use our new
coatings was the Junior Johnson team, with Harold Elliott as engine builder.
Elliott must have liked what he saw because he is now in the coating
business himself. The second generation of coatings appeared in the early
'80's. While some were professionally formulated and applied by either
plasma spray or flame spray, others were nothing more than self-applied high
temperature paint. Some of this stuff didn't work well at all and hurt the
whole industry. Despite this black eye, the major companies continued their
research, and technology progressed. As the fly-by-nights and garage
operators faded away, the third generation of coatings emerged with three
major players--Swain Tech Coatings, High Performance Coatings (HPC) and
Polymer Dynamics, also known as Poly Dyn. This generation of coatings was
engineered to provide added durability and increased horsepower. As each
company went its own way, differences evolved. Improved formulations could
be applied just .002" thick, eliminating the clearance problems created by
the earlier, thicker coatings. Bonding was also improved, so there was no
chipping, cracking or crazing. The fourth generation began with header
coatings. HPC and Jet Hot developed inexpensive "wet" processes aimed at
street rods and show cars. Improved appearance was the primary goal;
enhanced performance was secondary. We offered a header coating in which
form--specifically thermal insulation --followed function. Our three-layer
header coating may not have looked as nice as the others, but it held the
heat in. Then, as header coatings became a specialty all their own, ceramic
and fiberglass header wraps began competing with them. While the three
leading companies continued to improve the technology and variety of high
tech coatings, a fifth generation of coatings appeared, characterized by a
new crop of do-it-yourself coatings that showed up in the early '90's. This
has caused some concern among major coating companies because some of the
new companies claim that their products are professional quality. I don't
think they are telling you the straight story. As coatings have matured, so
have racers' reasons for using them. The emphasis has changed from
performance to durability.Maintenance-cost savings have prompted some
sanctioning bodies, that had prohibited coatings, to change their rules to
allow them. Coatings are currently used in 9:1 motors, street stocks,
go-karts and other economy divisions.

Today, there are coatings to protect every part or component that is
subject to heat, wear, corrosion or friction. While pistons, combustion
chambers and headers remain the most popular parts to coat, an increasing
number of engine builders are having engine bearings and valve springs
coated. Brake coatings are increasingly popular on heavy cars that need a
lot of stopping power. Transmission and ring-and-pinion gears now get coated
as well. The coatings evolution is now approaching the sixth generation.
Products currently under development include diamond coatings for wear and
lubricity, self-lubricating coatings, laser-applied surface coatings and
catalyzed coatings. Catalyzed coatings, which have precious metals in
sus-trol combustion rates, could be the next generation of piston coating.
Many weekend racers now look upon coatings as an investment rather than an
expense. JBR Racing of Rochester, New York, runs both a Grand American IMCA
modified and a super stock. Says Jon Burroughs, the team captain and a
ten-year veteran of both dirt and asphalt tracks, "Coatings are the
affordable thing to do, and we're a small budget team. We've coated their
pistons, valve springs, intake manifold, rocker arms and balls, bearing
races and their exhaust systems. The stock manifold on the Grand American
car is also coated. This team and others report good reliability, which they
attribute to coatings. "Last season," Burroughs relates, "the oil pump
pickup broke in the Grand American car. We were in the championship race at
Apple Valley [NY] Raceway. Oil pressure dropped and fluctuated between 0 and
60 PSI, depending on whether we were in a straightaway or turn. We just kept
running and took the championship. When we tore down the engine, the
bearings, pistons and cylinder walls had no damage, so we just put the
engine back together and we're running it again this season. We do not
recommend running your race engine on limited oil pressure, no matter whose
coatings or additives you use. We can sometimes get you through an otherwise
impossible night, but running with fluctuating oil pressure or other serious
problems should not become a way of life.

I can tell you with confidence, however, that coatings can save parts and
entire mo-tors. All of us in the aftermarket business hear on Monday
mornings when our stuff works, and we really hear when somebody thinks it
fails. We've been around for a long time, and we just couldn't keep doing
this if those Monday morning calls were mostly angry ones. Don't get the
idea you need to rely on the phone to reach us. UPS and FedEx have shrunk
the world, and coating companies regularly service teams far from their home
base. In fact, we've been told that our Winston Cup work has helped several
teams save engines after terrible punishment. We know the other coating
companies have some similar stories to tell, too. When it comes to the high
dollar teams, well, they could probably afford to run without coatings. But
the added reliability makes coated parts an important element in their
plans. Same thing with teams that operate on a limited budget. It would be
nice if you could avoid it, but to get the job done you've just got to pay
the extra money for professional application. Some do-it-yourself coatings
are advertised as performing the same as professionally applied coatings,
but it is technically impossible for a coating that is painted on and cured
in your kitchen oven to provide the same quality and performance as those
formulated and applied by trained professionals using sophisticated
equipment. The big three coating companies all agree that it takes more than
a spray can or air brush and kitchen stove. Professionally applied coatings
don't cost as much as you might think. In fact, coated parts represent a
modest insurance investment. Our company has never raised its price for
piston coatings. This means that piston prices have been the same for
sixteen years. We haven't even had to adjust for inflation because volume
has increased dramatically. As a result, coated pistons actually cost less
today than when we first opened in 1981. Each company publishes a price
list. Terms and shipment policies vary by company as well. When shopping for
coatings, as with other racing investments, it's smart to not shop on price
alone. Coatings are not commodity items. Each company's formulation and
application method is different, so be sure the coating will perform as you
want it to. Check out the company's reputation in th marketplace. In short,
shop for value, not just price.

Swain Technology, Inc. 35 Main Street, Scottsville, New York 14546 Phone -
(716) 889-2786 Fax - (716) 889-5218

Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Thomas:

You mention that Swain's coating " cuts down over 60% of the heat..."

What are the figures for heat reduction for the other two coater's you
mention????

What other qualities do you see Swain's coating have as being superior vs.
the other two coater's???

Paul Bartz

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: GMC: Coatings for exhaust headers

Just got off the phone with Dan Swain CEO of Swain Technology Inc and talked
to him about having my Thorley headers coated with his proprietory white
lightning coating. The price is approximately $225.
I looked at the other industry coatings, Jethot, HPC etc and thought after
much reading that they were inferior to the Swain process for drastically
cutting down exhaust header heat inside the engine compartment. Dan
confirmed this. His process cuts down over 60% of the heat we are now
experiencing. REally hope it works.
 
There are all kinds of claims. The proof is as they say in the pudding.
Note that the performance guys seem to be buying Swain coatings and the show
car and street rod crowd seem to be buying Jethot.

Jethot is made of a mixture of ceramic and metal and is sprayed on wet. HPC
the same. Swain is actually 3 layers of ceramic baked on. Look at their
home page and read the technical details.

If the Swain coating works as they say it does than it would seem to be the
coating of choice for GMCs.

>Thomas:
>
>You mention that Swain's coating " cuts down over 60% of the heat..."
>
>What are the figures for heat reduction for the other two coater's you
>mention????
>
>What other qualities do you see Swain's coating have as being superior vs.
>the other two coater's???
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:08 AM
>Subject: GMC: Coatings for exhaust headers
>
>Just got off the phone with Dan Swain CEO of Swain Technology Inc and talked
>to him about having my Thorley headers coated with his proprietory white
>lightning coating. The price is approximately $225.
>I looked at the other industry coatings, Jethot, HPC etc and thought after
>much reading that they were inferior to the Swain process for drastically
>cutting down exhaust header heat inside the engine compartment. Dan
>confirmed this. His process cuts down over 60% of the heat we are now
>experiencing. REally hope it works.
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Thomas:

You claim that "... the performance guys seem to buying Swain coatings and
the show car and street crowd seem to be buying Jet-Hot".

Not the picture from what I see below, in a previous e-mail message. Looks
to me like there is a probably a sharing of the wealth, and I haven't seen
Jet-Hot's "propaganda/claims yet. So how does one justify pitching one
coater over the other at this point based on product and application??????

By the way, I'd still like to learn your numbers for heat reduction for the
other two coater's you mentioned compared to Swain's claim????

Paul Bartz
From: Chuck Will [mailto:willa]
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 1:14 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: GMC: [Fwd: Jet Hot vs. HPC]

Cory at HPC so here is his response. Thanks Chuck

Chuck:
Not a problem. I get asked this very often. Jet-Hot is the same type
coating as HPC. HPC's owner was an engineer at an aerospace company that
applied these coatings on parts of jet engines. In 1981 he saw an
application for these coatings in motorsports (his first love, he was a drag
racer prior to entering the Air Force and flying F-105's in Vietnam) an a
way to get out of the government end of things and be his own boss.
In 1982 HPC was opened in Oklahoma City. Since then we have opened
facilities in CT, UT, AZ, two in Australia and one in New Zealand.
Jet-Hot's owner left the same aerospace firm in 1991 and opened
MCCI/Jet-Hot. Since then they have opened facilities in PA, MS and AZ and
Australia. Is there a pattern here?
Like I said, the ceramic-metallic coatings are similar. We manufacture our
own coatings in our Utah facility. So the formula can be different.
Independent testing has shown that on the average our coating runs 25%
thicker than theirs and has longer corrosion protection. The thermal
properties are the same. Now our HiPerCoat Extreme(tm) that you and I spoke
of is 5 times the insulation but very expensive. Jet-Hot has nothing like
this. Your friend has been reading too many of their ads (That's why I am
with HPC. I am a marketing guy trying to turn that around. Jet-Hot has
done very good in "buying the market" in the last six years).
I think our winning record says it all:
11 Indy 500 winners
14 Daytona 500 winners
6 NHRA Pro-Stock World Champions
8 NHRA Top Fuel World Champions
9 NHRA Pro Stock Motorcycle World Champions
First Top Fuel 4 second quarter mile
First 6 second Pro Stock quarter mile
Fastest Small Block Chevy on Earth
Fastest Small Block Ford on Earth
Fastest Roadster on Earth
Lest talk customers:
Eddie Hill (Top Fuel Dragster and Boat racer, First in the fours, fastest
man on land and water for a long time)
Gary Scelzi (1997 & 1998 Top Fuel World Champion)
"Big Daddy" Don Garlits (yeah I know, he now endorses Jet-Hot for a
salary, but when he was racing he only used HPC, and I have a cease and
desists letter he wrote to Jet-Hot three years ago about them using his name
in advertising falsely).
The late John Meyers (4 time Pro Stock Motorcycle World Champion and most
winning driver in NHRA history).
Matt Hines (1997 & 1998 Pro Stock Motorcycle Champion and current mph and
E.T. record holder)
Angelle Seeling (1998 Pro Stock Motorcycle runner-up) Warren Johnson, the
"Professor of Pro Stock" (5 time NHRA Pro Stock World Champion and current
E.T. and MPH record holder and first 6 second Pro Stock)
Kurt Johnson
Mark Pawuk
Bob Spina (World's fastest Harley)
Bobby Rahal
Sterling Marlin
Dale Earnhardt
Mark Martin
I could go on and on. Jet-Hot....John Force. That's really the only big
name, and they pay him. Most of these people pay us or endorse us only for
product sponsorship, when they could get paid by the competition. Maybe I'm
being a bit hard on them here, but you can see why.
I hope this helps. Email with any other questions you have.
Best regards,
Cory

Cory I am getting more and more confused. One of the GMC'ers disagrees with
me about your coating and heat reduction. In one of his email's he
indicates that the "Jet Hot" coating is more desirable for the GMC than
your HPC. Is this true? If it is true why? I need more information to
assist me in helping myself and him to understand heat dissipation and
performance for these old motor homes. Granted I am not racing this coach I
am just using it as designed but trying to improve performance where it is
required and needed. I would copy his email but do not know how to forward
it to you. Unless I send the entire journal and then you pick his out and
then throw the rest away. If that is ok I will send the entire Friday Page.
Just did not want to do that without you authorizing it.; It is really not
that long but I hesitate in doing so without you knowing what is going on.
I am very happy with the coating and the headers. I took them up an 8%
grade at 55 mph on cruise and did not loose one MPH, the headers did start
to get red. After coming home though they cooled rather rapidly and the
heat exchange was phenomenal.
I could touch the headers after about 5 minutes. Incidentally the heat in
the engine compartment is very cool compared to without them. I had the
engine cover off so Tom could adjust the carburetor. I just hate to have
somebody tell me something that I cannot answer even if I am wrong, Hope
you understand. Thanks Chuck

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: GMC: Coatings for exhaust headers

There are all kinds of claims. The proof is as they say in the pudding.
Note that the performance guys seem to be buying Swain coatings and the show
car and street rod crowd seem to be buying Jethot.

Jethot is made of a mixture of ceramic and metal and is sprayed on wet. HPC
the same. Swain is actually 3 layers of ceramic baked on. Look at their
home page and read the technical details.

If the Swain coating works as they say it does than it would seem to be the
coating of choice for GMCs.

Thomas:

You mention that Swain's coating " cuts down over 60% of the heat..."

What are the figures for heat reduction for the other two coater's you
mention????

What other qualities do you see Swain's coating have as being superior vs.
the other two coater's???

Paul Bartz

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: GMC: Coatings for exhaust headers

Just got off the phone with Dan Swain CEO of Swain Technology Inc and talked
to him about having my Thorley headers coated with his proprietory white
lightning coating. The price is approximately $225. I looked at the other
industry coatings, Jethot, HPC etc and thought after much reading that they
were inferior to the Swain process for drastically cutting down exhaust
header heat inside the engine compartment. Dan confirmed this. His process
cuts down over 60% of the heat we are now experiencing. REally hope it
works.
 
Arch you forgot to say "May I" go back and start all over again at age 16!

By the way I am waiting to hear from him relative to others getting the
Thorley headers with the coating at a discount like we got the SS
brakelines. anyone interested?

>In a message dated 1/7/99 10:08:04 AM Central Standard Time, warner
>writes:
>
>>
>> Just got off the phone with Dan Swain CEO of Swain Technology Inc and
>> talked
>> to him about having my Thorley headers coated with his proprietory white
>> lightning coating. The price is approximately $225.
>>
>Tom
>
>Thank you very much for taking the time to fill us in on coatings. I
>would now bet that we on the net know more than 99% of the
>population. Tom again thanks for letting me learn.
>
>Take Care
>Arch 76 GB IL
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach