Charging the Towd battery?

LarryW

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We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to wire the
coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the road.
TIA
--
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse) runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects the wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is being charged by the alternator.

Emery Stora

>
> We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to wire the
> coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the road.
> TIA
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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Several of the dezel pushers have a charge line in the trailer wireing
connector.
A friend started his towd without disconecting the cable and burt the wire
someplace. So far he has not found where.

> We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking
> unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to
> wire the
> coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the road.
> TIA
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
>
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Thanks Emery. What gauge wire and did you need and an equivalent return ground?
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Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
 
> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects the
> wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is being
> charged by the alternator.
>
> Emery Stora
>
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Emery

What size fuse are you using in the circuit.

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Tom Lins
St Augustine, FL
77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
Manuals on DVD
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Thought that I brought this up a few months ago. I always had an issue with the towed battery going down during the days travels. I have used this particular system since 2009 when we bought the Honda FIT. The FIT battery was about the size of a large motorcycle battery and it would run down with the brake system using power.

This is what we have used and transferred between the FIT and the CR-V:

http://www.lslproducts.net/ToadChargePage.html

I purchased only the weatherproof charge regulator and wired it myself as I had all the necessary stuff to do it.

JR Wright
GMC GreatLakers
GMCMI
GMC eastern States
78 Buskirk Stretch
75 Avion
Michigan
On Location in Tucson

>
> Thanks Emery. What gauge wire and did you need and an equivalent return ground?
> --
> Larry
> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> Menomonie, WI.
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I used a 12 ga wire. Since the toad battery is fully charged when I hook it up the only draw is the brake buddy so that gauge has proved to be sufficient.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>

>> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
>> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects the
>> wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is being
>> charged by the alternator.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
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>
> Emery
>
> What size fuse are you using in the circuit.
>
>
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
> Manuals on DVD
> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
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Hi Tom,
I used a 10 amp fuse. I figured that would be plenty in case a wire shorted and I knew the Brake Buddy drew a lot less than that.
It’s been this way for about 10 years and I’ve never blew a fuse.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>

>> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
>> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects the
>> wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is being
>> charged by the alternator.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
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>
> Emery
>
> What size fuse are you using in the circuit.
>
>
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
> Manuals on DVD
> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
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We're a Blue Ox dealer and installer and have been using the power from the
coach to the brake unit and even to the battery of the toad.
One thing to consider is to have the front parking lights powered from the
coach for visability at night as there have been several accidents when
people did not see the toad and swung into it.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist <

> > I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire
> from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
> > runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for
> several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects
> the
> > wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current
> for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is
> being
> > charged by the alternator.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Emery
>
> What size fuse are you using in the circuit.
>
>
> --
> Tom Lins
> St Augustine, FL
> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
> Manuals on DVD
> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
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1-800-752-7502
 
These days it is fairly easy to drill a corner light or taillight for an additional LED bulb. It would be a fairly simple matter to wire the coach’s brake and directional signals from the trailer connector to new integrated “trailer” lighting on the towd. Would make for a very easy hookup.

>
> We're a Blue Ox dealer and installer and have been using the power from the
> coach to the brake unit and even to the battery of the toad.
> One thing to consider is to have the front parking lights powered from the
> coach for visability at night as there have been several accidents when
> people did not see the toad and swung into it.
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist <

>

>>> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire
>> from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
>>> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for
>> several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects
>> the
>>> wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current
>> for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is
>> being
>>> charged by the alternator.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>>
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>>
>> Emery
>>
>> What size fuse are you using in the circuit.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tom Lins
>> St Augustine, FL
>> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
>> Manuals on DVD
>> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
>>
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My toad has independent bulbs in the rear/side assemblies. A look and the coach wiring and the Kia wiring indicated keeping them separate was the
move.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
The towing co are instructing us to drill the light case and install the
LED bulbs , thus avoiding issues with the sensitive computer systems in the
newer cars.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:35 AM Dave Stragand via Gmclist <

> These days it is fairly easy to drill a corner light or taillight for an
> additional LED bulb. It would be a fairly simple matter to wire the coach’s
> brake and directional signals from the trailer connector to new integrated
> “trailer” lighting on the towd. Would make for a very easy hookup.
>
> > On Feb 8, 2019, at 1:27 AM, Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> >
> > We're a Blue Ox dealer and installer and have been using the power from
> the
> > coach to the brake unit and even to the battery of the toad.
> > One thing to consider is to have the front parking lights powered from
> the
> > coach for visability at night as there have been several accidents when
> > people did not see the toad and swung into it.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:15 PM Tom Lins via Gmclist <

> >

> >>> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a
> wire
> >> from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line
> fuse)
> >>> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for
> >> several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it
> disconnects
> >> the
> >>> wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current
> >> for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is
> >> being
> >>> charged by the alternator.
> >>>
> >>> Emery Stora
> >>>
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> >>
> >> Emery
> >>
> >> What size fuse are you using in the circuit.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Tom Lins
> >> St Augustine, FL
> >> 77 GM Rear Twin, Dry Bath, 455, FI-Tech EFI
> >> Manuals on DVD
> >> http://www.bdub.net/tomlins/
> >>
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> >>
> > --
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> > Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> > jimk
> > http://www.appliedgmc.com
> > 1-800-752-7502
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1-800-752-7502
 
The towing company is giving you good advice. A few minutes of looking at both diagrams and it would take me some time and a marker to figure out
what I was backfeeding when and what that would do to the toad electrics. I got a pair of stop - turn bright LED bulbs and put them in the tail light
assemblies - which are huge on the Kia Soul. I've a set of LED clearance lights I'm going to put in the ratrod toad's tailgate.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
One of the functions of the towd charge controllers is to maintain isolation between the coach and the towd.
Anytime you run a power wire, you need to have a fuse involved. Think of the fuse as the weakest link. If it blows, you need to find it in one place. If you do not use a fuse and you unfortunately melt the wire 'somewhere?', you must handle that situation as an emergency, as you do not know where the melted wires is, until you trace the entire length of the wire. You do not know what flammable material is near the fault. A situation like this can lead to another burned coach. With the blown fuse, of the correct size, the circuit just doesn't work, but you do not have an emergency situation. Check out www.waytekwire.com and their wire sizing charts and their tech briefs about all things mobile wiring.
Waytek is my primary supplier for wiring parts. Once you order anything from them they will send you, free their catalog, which has all sorts of information. A great bathroom reader, sort of like the McMaster Carr Catalog.

>
>
> Several of the dezel pushers have a charge line in the trailer wireing
> connector.
> A friend started his towd without disconecting the cable and burt the wire
> someplace. So far he has not found where.
>

>
> > We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking
> > unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to
> > wire the
> > coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the road.
> > TIA
> > --
> > Larry
> > 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> > Menomonie, WI.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
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I know the subject is “Charging the Towd battery”
But I really don’t view my solution as charging the toad battery but rather supplying power for the Brake Buddy to prevent it from discharging the toad battery.
I also realize that my hookup is putting my toad battery in parallel with the house coach battery and I have always said that one should not use two 12 volt batteries in parallel. However, that is when using the two 12 volt batteries to provide power to other devices. In my case the toad battery is not discharging. The house battery provides power to the Brake Buddy and also to the rear toad lights. The engine alternator charges the house battery while driving.

When I am stopped, including overnight stays at Walmart, the Brake Buddy is not drawing power and there are no other draws on the toad battery so I have seen no need to unplug the toad.

Richard/Marli Shoop has posted about the need for a fuse. I agree. In my first message I indicated that I had included a fuse in my wiring.

The use of a toad charger driven from the coach house battery isolates the two batteries and is probably the more proper solution but I followed the link provided in that message and found the cost was over 100 dollars for the device.

My solution has worked for me for about 10 years now and I haven’t experienced any problems with it. It works for me but, like any other modifications or additions, one should decide for themselves if it is right for them.
It is a relatively inexpensive solution. I did, however, replace the cable and connectors at the GMC and at the toad with a 7 wire cord and 7 conductor flat terminal plugs and receptacles.
This provided room for the 12 volt lead from the house battery and a good ground wire so I was not relying on a ground through the hitch.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick, CO

>
> I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse) runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects the wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is being charged by the alternator.
>
> Emery Stora
>

>>
>> We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to wire the
>> coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the road.
>> TIA
>> --
>> Larry
>> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
>> Menomonie, WI.
 
Most trailer hook up shops use diodes in that circuit as well as properly
sized fuses or thermal breakers to protect both vehicles. Parallel
batteries are a second best solution, but, there are many, many of them in
use.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 9:48 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <

> I know the subject is “Charging the Towd battery”
> But I really don’t view my solution as charging the toad battery but
> rather supplying power for the Brake Buddy to prevent it from discharging
> the toad battery.
> I also realize that my hookup is putting my toad battery in parallel with
> the house coach battery and I have always said that one should not use two
> 12 volt batteries in parallel. However, that is when using the two 12 volt
> batteries to provide power to other devices. In my case the toad battery is
> not discharging. The house battery provides power to the Brake Buddy and
> also to the rear toad lights. The engine alternator charges the house
> battery while driving.
>
> When I am stopped, including overnight stays at Walmart, the Brake Buddy
> is not drawing power and there are no other draws on the toad battery so I
> have seen no need to unplug the toad.
>
> Richard/Marli Shoop has posted about the need for a fuse. I agree. In my
> first message I indicated that I had included a fuse in my wiring.
>
> The use of a toad charger driven from the coach house battery isolates the
> two batteries and is probably the more proper solution but I followed the
> link provided in that message and found the cost was over 100 dollars for
> the device.
>
> My solution has worked for me for about 10 years now and I haven’t
> experienced any problems with it. It works for me but, like any other
> modifications or additions, one should decide for themselves if it is right
> for them.
> It is a relatively inexpensive solution. I did, however, replace the cable
> and connectors at the GMC and at the toad with a 7 wire cord and 7
> conductor flat terminal plugs and receptacles.
> This provided room for the 12 volt lead from the house battery and a good
> ground wire so I was not relying on a ground through the hitch.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>

> >
> > I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a wire
> from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
> runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for
> several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects
> the wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current
> for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is
> being charged by the alternator.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> >

> >>
> >> We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking
> unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to
> wire the
> >> coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the
> road.
> >> TIA
> >> --
> >> Larry
> >> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> >> Menomonie, WI.
>
>
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Seems like a good job for a voltage-sensing combiner. The batteries would
be paralleled only when a charging system is keep the voltage high enough
that one battery won’t try to feed the other battery.

Rick “who uses two combiners for his three batteries” Denney

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 4:33 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <

> Most trailer hook up shops use diodes in that circuit as well as properly
> sized fuses or thermal breakers to protect both vehicles. Parallel
> batteries are a second best solution, but, there are many, many of them in
> use.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
>
> On Fri, Feb 8, 2019, 9:48 AM Emery Stora via Gmclist <

>
> > I know the subject is “Charging the Towd battery”
> > But I really don’t view my solution as charging the toad battery but
> > rather supplying power for the Brake Buddy to prevent it from discharging
> > the toad battery.
> > I also realize that my hookup is putting my toad battery in parallel with
> > the house coach battery and I have always said that one should not use
> two
> > 12 volt batteries in parallel. However, that is when using the two 12
> volt
> > batteries to provide power to other devices. In my case the toad battery
> is
> > not discharging. The house battery provides power to the Brake Buddy and
> > also to the rear toad lights. The engine alternator charges the house
> > battery while driving.
> >
> > When I am stopped, including overnight stays at Walmart, the Brake Buddy
> > is not drawing power and there are no other draws on the toad battery so
> I
> > have seen no need to unplug the toad.
> >
> > Richard/Marli Shoop has posted about the need for a fuse. I agree. In my
> > first message I indicated that I had included a fuse in my wiring.
> >
> > The use of a toad charger driven from the coach house battery isolates
> the
> > two batteries and is probably the more proper solution but I followed the
> > link provided in that message and found the cost was over 100 dollars for
> > the device.
> >
> > My solution has worked for me for about 10 years now and I haven’t
> > experienced any problems with it. It works for me but, like any other
> > modifications or additions, one should decide for themselves if it is
> right
> > for them.
> > It is a relatively inexpensive solution. I did, however, replace the
> cable
> > and connectors at the GMC and at the toad with a 7 wire cord and 7
> > conductor flat terminal plugs and receptacles.
> > This provided room for the 12 volt lead from the house battery and a good
> > ground wire so I was not relying on a ground through the hitch.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> > 77 Kingsley
> > Frederick, CO
> >

> > >
> > > I also use a brake buddy. I solved the battery problem by running a
> wire
> > from my house battery to my tow plug. Another wire (with an in-line fuse)
> > runs from the tow plug to my toad battery. I have had it this way for
> > several years. When you unplug the toad from the motorhome it disconnects
> > the wires. The house battery has been more than enough to provide current
> > for the Brake Buddy and while driving the motorhome the house battery is
> > being charged by the alternator.
> > >
> > > Emery Stora
> > >

> > >>
> > >> We tow a older Honda Civic, and use a Brake Buddy as and aux breaking
> > unit. On long trips it can drag the battery down. Suggestions on how to
> > wire the
> > >> coach and towd so it charges the towd battery while running down the
> > road.
> > >> TIA
> > >> --
> > >> Larry
> > >> 78 Royale w/500 Caddy
> > >> Menomonie, WI.
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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