Ceramic Insulation Paper (It's about time to fess up)

bdub

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Hey, don't sweat it Scott. A lot of times it takes several false starts to
come up with a successful ending. This was only your first! =20

I / We appreciate your taking the lead in the search for an acceptable fire
barrier.

Thanks

>In a message dated 4/13/99 1:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20

>
>> The web site says: "It is recommended for continuous use at temperatures
>> up to 2300=B0F (1260=B0C) in applications requiring high handling=
strength,
>> resiliency, and excellent thermal properties."
>> =20
>Hello group-- It's about time I get this out in the open--Lytherm/Lydal is=
=20
>the company I got involved with--In my opinion this ceramic paper is a good=
=20
>choice except I was told it doesn't like water. Al Chernoff has plain=
ceramic=20
>paper in his coach. Since it isn't waterproof I tried to find something=
that=20
>was, thus my quest and futher quest to the point of this e-mail sent behind=
=20
>the scenes.=20
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Any idea on the price of the insulation?
>Yes, they have gotten back to me, if I would purchase a minimum of 3 rolls=
of=20
>4'x200'
>the price would be $2.00 / sq/ft.. Smallest amount they will sell is one=
=20
>roll and that price would be $3.00/sq.ft.
>Now this is where I turn into a self-made asshole. When I called this=20
>company I asked for a product that was ceramic fiber/had an aluminum=
facing. =20
>The samples I sent out were with my limited knowledge ceramic=
fiber/aluminum=20
>facing--with ceramic fiber characteristics, i.e., high temperature(2000). =
=20
>Not knowing what ceramic fiber looked like, I believed I was sent=20
>ceramic/alu. sample material. I did not check the stuff out except for=20
>immersing it in water for 2 days and assumed it was high temperature. =20
>Someone e-mailed me back and said they put there zippo to it and it started=
=20
>to burn after like 30 seconds. Unfortunately the inside sales person I=20
>believe was just a trainee, with a high sounding title and really did not=
=20
>know what I was asking for. Therefore, although I like the thinness, alu=
=20
>facing etc.--this unfortunately doesn't fit my fire barrier character that=
I=20
>was looking for. I have been pursuing another company in a Columbus, Ohio=
=20
>suburb that does a tremendous amount of specialty work with insulation. I=
=20
>have not posted this to the net yet. I have sent samples to at least 30=20
>people and now I am faced with reneging on this product. I was being=
sincere=20
>in my quest for an insulation material and it blows up in my face.=
Actually,=20
>I am very upset about this now, and the wind has been taken from my sails. =
I=20
>like to do what I say I will do, and do just that. This sucks!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Well at least it is off my chest now--I should have been more forth=20
>coming--Columbus Co. was not helpful. Another product which I got samples=
of=20
>is posted on one of my websites. =20
>Adohen =
Scott=20
>Nehoda (Odds and Ends site)
>=20
>Sorry netters,
>
>Scott NEHODA'S=
=20
>BACK YARD
>=20
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
As I read these posts, I wondered if anyone has tried any of the aluminized
mylar heat barrier products (asa "Eagle Shield" or similar) to insulate a
coach? I assume (too much assumin' goin' on out dere!) the material you are
seeking is to be used to insulate the coach between the interior
wall/ceiling covering and the outer skin, in the GMC a rather thin slice of
the coach with not much room to blow any appreciable quantity of more
urethane foam, etc.
Dick 75 PB in Atlanta

>In a message dated 4/13/99 1:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20

>
>> The web site says: "It is recommended for continuous use at temperatures
>> up to 2300=B0F (1260=B0C) in applications requiring high handling=
strength,
>> resiliency, and excellent thermal properties."
>> =20
>Hello group-- It's about time I get this out in the open--Lytherm/Lydal is=
=20
>the company I got involved with--In my opinion this ceramic paper is a good=
=20
>choice except I was told it doesn't like water. Al Chernoff has plain=
ceramic=20
>paper in his coach. Since it isn't waterproof I tried to find something=
that=20
>was, thus my quest and futher quest to the point of this e-mail sent behind=
=20
>the scenes.=20
>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>Any idea on the price of the insulation?
>Yes, they have gotten back to me, if I would purchase a minimum of 3 rolls=
of=20
>4'x200'
>the price would be $2.00 / sq/ft.. Smallest amount they will sell is one=
=20
>roll and that price would be $3.00/sq.ft.
>Now this is where I turn into a self-made asshole. When I called this=20
>company I asked for a product that was ceramic fiber/had an aluminum=
facing. =20
>The samples I sent out were with my limited knowledge ceramic=
fiber/aluminum=20
>facing--with ceramic fiber characteristics, i.e., high temperature(2000). =
=20
>Not knowing what ceramic fiber looked like, I believed I was sent=20
>ceramic/alu. sample material. I did not check the stuff out except for=20
>immersing it in water for 2 days and assumed it was high temperature. =20
>Someone e-mailed me back and said they put there zippo to it and it started=
=20
>to burn after like 30 seconds. Unfortunately the inside sales person I=20
>believe was just a trainee, with a high sounding title and really did not=
=20
>know what I was asking for. Therefore, although I like the thinness, alu=
=20
>facing etc.--this unfortunately doesn't fit my fire barrier character that=
I=20
>was looking for. I have been pursuing another company in a Columbus, Ohio=
=20
>suburb that does a tremendous amount of specialty work with insulation. I=
=20
>have not posted this to the net yet. I have sent samples to at least 30=20
>people and now I am faced with reneging on this product. I was being=
sincere=20
>in my quest for an insulation material and it blows up in my face.=
Actually,=20
>I am very upset about this now, and the wind has been taken from my sails. =
I=20
>like to do what I say I will do, and do just that. This sucks!
>---------------------------------------------------------
>Well at least it is off my chest now--I should have been more forth=20
>coming--Columbus Co. was not helpful. Another product which I got samples=
of=20
>is posted on one of my websites. =20
>Adohen =
Scott=20
>Nehoda (Odds and Ends site)
>=20
>Sorry netters,
>
>Scott NEHODA'S=
=20
>BACK YARD
>=20
>
 
Hey
Like you're the only person who ever screwed up.....don't think so !
I'd give some examples, but there's a size restriction to postings :-)

Mike B
NS
 
The quest is to find a good fire barrier to line engine and generator
compartment with. One that won't deteriorate with age or moisture, and
willl resist fuel and oil saturation.

Hope this helps

>As I read these posts, I wondered if anyone has tried any of the aluminized
>mylar heat barrier products (asa "Eagle Shield" or similar) to insulate a
>coach? I assume (too much assumin' goin' on out dere!) the material you=
are
>seeking is to be used to insulate the coach between the interior
>wall/ceiling covering and the outer skin, in the GMC a rather thin slice of
>the coach with not much room to blow any appreciable quantity of more
>urethane foam, etc.
>Dick 75 PB in Atlanta
>

>>In a message dated 4/13/99 1:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20

>>
>>> The web site says: "It is recommended for continuous use at temperatures
>>> up to 2300=B0F (1260=B0C) in applications requiring high handling=
strength,
>>> resiliency, and excellent thermal properties."
>>> =20
>>Hello group-- It's about time I get this out in the open--Lytherm/Lydal is=
=20
>>the company I got involved with--In my opinion this ceramic paper is a=
good=20
>>choice except I was told it doesn't like water. Al Chernoff has plain
ceramic=20
>>paper in his coach. Since it isn't waterproof I tried to find something
that=20
>>was, thus my quest and futher quest to the point of this e-mail sent=
behind=20
>>the scenes.=20
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Any idea on the price of the insulation?
>>Yes, they have gotten back to me, if I would purchase a minimum of 3
rolls of=20
>>4'x200'
>>the price would be $2.00 / sq/ft.. Smallest amount they will sell is one=
=20
>>roll and that price would be $3.00/sq.ft.
>>Now this is where I turn into a self-made asshole. When I called this=20
>>company I asked for a product that was ceramic fiber/had an aluminum
facing. =20
>>The samples I sent out were with my limited knowledge ceramic=
fiber/aluminum=20
>>facing--with ceramic fiber characteristics, i.e., high temperature(2000). =
=20
>>Not knowing what ceramic fiber looked like, I believed I was sent=20
>>ceramic/alu. sample material. I did not check the stuff out except for=20
>>immersing it in water for 2 days and assumed it was high temperature. =20
>>Someone e-mailed me back and said they put there zippo to it and it=
started=20
>>to burn after like 30 seconds. Unfortunately the inside sales person I=20
>>believe was just a trainee, with a high sounding title and really did not=
=20
>>know what I was asking for. Therefore, although I like the thinness, alu=
=20
>>facing etc.--this unfortunately doesn't fit my fire barrier character that=
I=20
>>was looking for. I have been pursuing another company in a Columbus, Ohio=
=20
>>suburb that does a tremendous amount of specialty work with insulation. I=
=20
>>have not posted this to the net yet. I have sent samples to at least 30=
=20
>>people and now I am faced with reneging on this product. I was being=
sincere=20
>>in my quest for an insulation material and it blows up in my face.=
Actually,=20
>>I am very upset about this now, and the wind has been taken from my
sails. I=20
>>like to do what I say I will do, and do just that. This sucks!
>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>Well at least it is off my chest now--I should have been more forth=20
>>coming--Columbus Co. was not helpful. Another product which I got
samples of=20
>>is posted on one of my websites. =20
>>Adohen
Scott=20
>>Nehoda (Odds and Ends site)
>>=20
>>Sorry netters,
>>
>>Scott NEHODA'=
S=20
>>BACK YARD
>>=20
>>
>
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
I am thinking of putting fire proof material on the wood parts and than
screwing sheets of aluminum over it. simple and effective.

>The quest is to find a good fire barrier to line engine and generator
>compartment with. One that won't deteriorate with age or moisture, and
>willl resist fuel and oil saturation.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>
>
>

>>As I read these posts, I wondered if anyone has tried any of the=
aluminized
>>mylar heat barrier products (asa "Eagle Shield" or similar) to insulate a
>>coach? I assume (too much assumin' goin' on out dere!) the material you=
are
>>seeking is to be used to insulate the coach between the interior
>>wall/ceiling covering and the outer skin, in the GMC a rather thin slice=
of
>>the coach with not much room to blow any appreciable quantity of more
>>urethane foam, etc.
>>Dick 75 PB in Atlanta
>>

>>>In a message dated 4/13/99 1:08:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,=20

>>>
>>>> The web site says: "It is recommended for continuous use at=
temperatures
>>>> up to 2300=B0F (1260=B0C) in applications requiring high handling=
strength,
>>>> resiliency, and excellent thermal properties."
>>>> =20
>>>Hello group-- It's about time I get this out in the open--Lytherm/Lydal=
is=20
>>>the company I got involved with--In my opinion this ceramic paper is a=
good=20
>>>choice except I was told it doesn't like water. Al Chernoff has plain
>ceramic=20
>>>paper in his coach. Since it isn't waterproof I tried to find something
>that=20
>>>was, thus my quest and futher quest to the point of this e-mail sent=
behind=20
>>>the scenes.=20
>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>Any idea on the price of the insulation?
>>>Yes, they have gotten back to me, if I would purchase a minimum of 3
>rolls of=20
>>>4'x200'
>>>the price would be $2.00 / sq/ft.. Smallest amount they will sell is one=
=20
>>>roll and that price would be $3.00/sq.ft.
>>>Now this is where I turn into a self-made asshole. When I called this=20
>>>company I asked for a product that was ceramic fiber/had an aluminum
>facing. =20
>>>The samples I sent out were with my limited knowledge ceramic=
fiber/aluminum=20
>>>facing--with ceramic fiber characteristics, i.e., high temperature(2000).=
=20
>>>Not knowing what ceramic fiber looked like, I believed I was sent=20
>>>ceramic/alu. sample material. I did not check the stuff out except for=
=20
>>>immersing it in water for 2 days and assumed it was high temperature. =20
>>>Someone e-mailed me back and said they put there zippo to it and it=
started=20
>>>to burn after like 30 seconds. Unfortunately the inside sales person I=
=20
>>>believe was just a trainee, with a high sounding title and really did not=
=20
>>>know what I was asking for. Therefore, although I like the thinness, alu=
=20
>>>facing etc.--this unfortunately doesn't fit my fire barrier character=
that I=20
>>>was looking for. I have been pursuing another company in a Columbus,=
Ohio=20
>>>suburb that does a tremendous amount of specialty work with insulation. =
I=20
>>>have not posted this to the net yet. I have sent samples to at least 30=
=20
>>>people and now I am faced with reneging on this product. I was being=
sincere=20
>>>in my quest for an insulation material and it blows up in my face.=
Actually,=20
>>>I am very upset about this now, and the wind has been taken from my
>sails. I=20
>>>like to do what I say I will do, and do just that. This sucks!
>>>---------------------------------------------------------
>>>Well at least it is off my chest now--I should have been more forth=20
>>>coming--Columbus Co. was not helpful. Another product which I got
>samples of=20
>>>is posted on one of my websites. =20
>>>Adohen
>Scott=20
>>>Nehoda (Odds and Ends site)
>>>=20
>>>Sorry netters,
>>>
>>>Scott NEHODA=
'S=20
>>>BACK YARD
>>>=20
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>bdub
>'76 Palm Beach
>In The Heart o Texas
>www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
>icq # 202333
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Uh, I've tried to cut aluminum with a acetylene torch. It don't work!
It'll melt ok, after a while, but once you put the air pressure on it, it
just sits there. I don't guess I've watched a beer can in a campfire
though. I think .030 aluminum would be the way to go for a good barrier
over ceramic paper or mat.

Brown County Southern Engineering
Please remit $0.02 for this consultation
Thank you


>Tom
>IMHO I would not use aluminum. Toss a beer can into a campfire and see
>how it fares. Thats just a wood fire. Ad gasoline and oil along with moving
>air to create a blowtorch effect for the first few seconds I bet the wood does
>better than the aluminum. Just my thoughts.
>
>Take Care
>Arch 76 GB IL
>
>In a message dated 4/13/99 7:37:07 PM Central Daylight Time, warner
>writes:
>
>>
>> I am thinking of putting fire proof material on the wood parts and than
>> screwing sheets of aluminum over it. simple and effective.
>>
>
>

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333