Cad Engine?

thomas g. warner

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>From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all of
the cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.

Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The 455
is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a high nickel
content in it which explains why we are getting such fantastic longevity

>A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
>500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
>some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever
>hear of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???
>Thanks.
>Steve Gilbert
>67 GMC (3 days old)
>Auburn, CA
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Steve:

Allegedly, the 500 cid Cadillac engine is 125 lbs heavier and reportedly
flows less air, albeit at the upper rpm limits, than a 455cid engine.
However, one big factor to consider is lack of factory support anymore.
I don't know about after market support though?

Fritz Slama, 608-489-2514, is the originator of converting the 500 cid
engine for use in the GMC.

Thomas:

I know it's desirable in an engine to have a high nickel content, but
can you enlighten use why that is so? What qualities does nickel impart
to the engine and what effect does that have, on other internal parts?
Also, when you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid
engine. What percentage do today's engines have?? How do aluminum
alloy engines cope??

Paul Bartz

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Cad Engine?

>From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all
of the Cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.

Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The
455 is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a
high nickel content in it which explains why we are getting such
fantastic longevity from it

From: sgilbert [mailto:sgilbert]
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:18 PM
Subject: GMC: Cad Engine?

A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever hear
of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???

Steve Gilbert
67 GMC (3 days old)
Auburn, CA
 
paul the inclusion of nickel in an engine makes the block much stronger and
at the same time lighter. The cylinder bores in particular last a very long
time, which accounts for the testimoney of many GMCs with very high mileage
on the engine. Somewhere I have a list of the casting numbers on the blocks
and the nickel content of each. If I remember right the 1976 palmbeach
L(actualy a marine block)engines have the highest nickel content along with
the 350 CI diesel blocks.

There is some aftermarket parts still being made for the 500CID Cad engine.

I would not trade my 455 for any other engine for the GMC motorhome. This
winter I am going to replace the J heads with E heads with stainless steel
manley valves, new springs, welded cross overs etc. That makes a big
difference to this engine.

>Steve:
>
>Allegedly, the 500 cid Cadillac engine is 125 lbs heavier and reportedly
>flows less air, albeit at the upper rpm limits, than a 455cid engine.
>However, one big factor to consider is lack of factory support anymore.
>I don't know about after market support though?
>
>Fritz Slama, 608-489-2514, is the originator of converting the 500 cid
>engine for use in the GMC.
>
>Thomas:
>
>I know it's desirable in an engine to have a high nickel content, but
>can you enlighten use why that is so? What qualities does nickel impart
>to the engine and what effect does that have, on other internal parts?
>Also, when you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid
>engine. What percentage do today's engines have?? How do aluminum
>alloy engines cope??
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:18 AM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
>>From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all
>of the Cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.
>
>Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The
>455 is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a
>high nickel content in it which explains why we are getting such
>fantastic longevity from it
>
>From: sgilbert [mailto:sgilbert]
>Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:18 PM
>Subject: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
>A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
>500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
>some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever hear
>of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???
>
>Steve Gilbert
>67 GMC (3 days old)
>Auburn, CA
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Thomas:

OK, I hear you so far.

Can you help me with answers to my other questions?

Paul

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Cad Engine?

paul the inclusion of nickel in an engine makes the block much stronger
and at the same time lighter. The cylinder bores in particular last a
very long time, which accounts for the testimoney of many GMCs with very
high mileage on the engine. Somewhere I have a list of the casting
numbers on the blocks and the nickel content of each. If I remember
right the 1976 palmbeach L (actually a marine block) engines have the
highest nickel content along with the 350 CI diesel blocks.

There is some aftermarket parts still being made for the 500CID Cad
engine.

I would not trade my 455 for any other engine for the GMC motorhome.
This winter I am going to replace the J heads with E heads with
stainless steel manley valves, new springs, welded cross overs etc. That
makes a big difference to this engine.

Steve:

Allegedly, the 500 cid Cadillac engine is 125 lbs heavier and reportedly
flows less air, albeit at the upper rpm limits, than a 455cid engine.
However, one big factor to consider is lack of factory support anymore.
I don't know about after market support though?

Fritz Slama, 608-489-2514, is the originator of converting the 500 cid
engine for use in the GMC.

Thomas:

I know it's desirable in an engine to have a high nickel content, but
can you enlighten use why that is so? What qualities does nickel impart
to the engine and what effect does that have, on other internal parts?
Also, when you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid
engine. What percentage do today's engines have?? How do aluminum
alloy engines cope??

Paul Bartz

From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Cad Engine?

>From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all
of the Cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.

Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The
455 is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a
high nickel content in it which explains why we are getting such
fantastic longevity from it

From: sgilbert [mailto:sgilbert]
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:18 PM
Subject: GMC: Cad Engine?

A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever hear
of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???

Steve Gilbert
67 GMC (3 days old)
Auburn, CA
 
Just a little infor. The "L" block and I think the number 6 is the original
455 block that was specifically made for these coaches. The L tells it is
for the GMC and the 6 is the nickel content. In this case this particular
motor block has about as much nickle in it as does the diesel. In so far as
weight, the front end is fairly light as it is. My GMC will burn rubber if I
floor it on the level street. If you put in an aluminum and I don't know
where it would come from is too light again and as far as I can see the
Mondello heads will just lighten up the front even more. Chuck

> Steve:
>
> Allegedly, the 500 cid Cadillac engine is 125 lbs heavier and reportedly
> flows less air, albeit at the upper rpm limits, than a 455cid engine.
> However, one big factor to consider is lack of factory support anymore.
> I don't know about after market support though?
>
> Fritz Slama, 608-489-2514, is the originator of converting the 500 cid
> engine for use in the GMC.
>
> Thomas:
>
> I know it's desirable in an engine to have a high nickel content, but
> can you enlighten use why that is so? What qualities does nickel impart
> to the engine and what effect does that have, on other internal parts?
> Also, when you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid
> engine. What percentage do today's engines have?? How do aluminum
> alloy engines cope??
>
> Paul Bartz
>
> From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:18 AM
> Subject: Re: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
> >From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all
> of the Cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.
>
> Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The
> 455 is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a
> high nickel content in it which explains why we are getting such
> fantastic longevity from it
>
> From: sgilbert [mailto:sgilbert]
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:18 PM
> Subject: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
> A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
> 500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
> some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever hear
> of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???
>
> Steve Gilbert
> 67 GMC (3 days old)
> Auburn, CA
 
1. What qualities does nickel impart to the engine? I already answered that.
2. What effect does that have, on other internal parts? None as the other
internal parts are similar except possibly for the crank. some of the GMC
cranks were forged instead of cast.

3. When you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid engine? The
Cad engine has no nickel that I am aware of. The GMC engines have varying
amounts based on the casting numbers.

4. How do aluminum alloy engines cope?? They either have a steel liner or in
some cases they are now spraying them with a stainless steel alloy.

>Thomas:
>
>OK, I hear you so far.
>
>Can you help me with answers to my other questions?
>
> Paul
>
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 9:54 AM
>Subject: RE: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
>paul the inclusion of nickel in an engine makes the block much stronger
>and at the same time lighter. The cylinder bores in particular last a
>very long time, which accounts for the testimoney of many GMCs with very
>high mileage on the engine. Somewhere I have a list of the casting
>numbers on the blocks and the nickel content of each. If I remember
>right the 1976 palmbeach L (actually a marine block) engines have the
>highest nickel content along with the 350 CI diesel blocks.
>
>There is some aftermarket parts still being made for the 500CID Cad
>engine.
>
>I would not trade my 455 for any other engine for the GMC motorhome.
>This winter I am going to replace the J heads with E heads with
>stainless steel manley valves, new springs, welded cross overs etc. That
>makes a big difference to this engine.
>
>

>Steve:
>
>Allegedly, the 500 cid Cadillac engine is 125 lbs heavier and reportedly
>flows less air, albeit at the upper rpm limits, than a 455cid engine.
>However, one big factor to consider is lack of factory support anymore.
>I don't know about after market support though?
>
>Fritz Slama, 608-489-2514, is the originator of converting the 500 cid
>engine for use in the GMC.
>
>Thomas:
>
>I know it's desirable in an engine to have a high nickel content, but
>can you enlighten use why that is so? What qualities does nickel impart
>to the engine and what effect does that have, on other internal parts?
>Also, when you say "high", what is the percentage vs. the 500 cid
>engine. What percentage do today's engines have?? How do aluminum
>alloy engines cope??
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:18 AM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
>>From the information I have it is a direct replacement. He will need all
>of the Cadillac brackets for air conditioner, exhaust manifolds etc.
>
>Question is why would you want to do it if he already has the 455. The
>455 is a stronger engine and will last longer. The olds block has a
>high nickel content in it which explains why we are getting such
>fantastic longevity from it
>
>From: sgilbert [mailto:sgilbert]
>Sent: Sunday, November 15, 1998 2:18 PM
>Subject: GMC: Cad Engine?
>
>A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
>500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
>some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever hear
>of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???
>
>Steve Gilbert
>67 GMC (3 days old)
>Auburn, CA
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Hi Steve,

Congrats on your new (old) GMC!
Try Jim Kanomata in California for info. His 530ci Caddy installation was
written up in Motorhome Magazine a couple of years ago. 415 591-1436. If
he has a email address someone on the "Net" might have it but I don't.

Ask your friend with the '73 GMC if his is in the Registry, okay?

Regards,

Dave Greenberg

>A friend with a 73 GMC wants to replace his tired 455 with a Cadillac
>500ci engine. He says he knows this has been done and is looking for
>
>some information to help him with the job... Anyone out there ever
>hear of this swap? Is there any place to get info., literature???
>Thanks.
>Steve Gilbert
>67 GMC (3 days old)
>Auburn, CA