Brakes - disk all around, been sitting, where do i start ?

dave silva

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The coach has a disk brakes all around with very few miles on them. It sat for a while and there is rust on the rotors.

The pedal feels consistent, it does not stiffen with pumping so i don't think there is a leak or a need to bleed.

On a low speed stop they feel like they grab pretty well.

At higher speed it feels like when you tow something way over your limit without trailer brakes (don't say you never did that)

It just ignores your foot and slows down in its own time.

Where do i start ?

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Dave & Ellen Silva

1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
 
Run it and the rust will work off

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:08 AM dave silva via Gmclist <

> The coach has a disk brakes all around with very few miles on them. It
> sat for a while and there is rust on the rotors.
>
> The pedal feels consistent, it does not stiffen with pumping so i don't
> think there is a leak or a need to bleed.
>
> On a low speed stop they feel like they grab pretty well.
>
> At higher speed it feels like when you tow something way over your limit
> without trailer brakes (don't say you never did that)
>
>
> It just ignores your foot and slows down in its own time.
>
> Where do i start ?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
>
> 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
>
>
>
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Jim Kanomata
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First try some hard stopping to get the brake pads broken in to the rotors. If that doesn’t work take out the pads and sand the surfaces a little bit or replace them. I would suggest Performance Friction pads.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Frederick CO

>
> The coach has a disk brakes all around with very few miles on them. It sat for a while and there is rust on the rotors.
>
> The pedal feels consistent, it does not stiffen with pumping so i don't think there is a leak or a need to bleed.
>
> On a low speed stop they feel like they grab pretty well.
>
> At higher speed it feels like when you tow something way over your limit without trailer brakes (don't say you never did that)
>
>
> It just ignores your foot and slows down in its own time.
>
> Where do i start ?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
>
> 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
>
>
>
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If you decide to sand the pads do not sand them length wise...sand them across the width or you rotors will look like a record because the pads will
work make grooves in them....some 40, 80 grit or what ever you have on hand placed, on a board etc [something flat], pads in hand not paper in hand
and just simply clean off the pads surface....if they are grooved dont worry about sanding to remove the grooves.

> First try some hard stopping to get the brake pads broken in to the rotors. If that doesn’t work take out the pads and sand the surfaces a
> little bit or replace them. I would suggest Performance Friction pads.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick CO
>

> >
> > The coach has a disk brakes all around with very few miles on them. It sat for a while and there is rust on the rotors.
> >
> > The pedal feels consistent, it does not stiffen with pumping so i don't think there is a leak or a need to bleed.
> >
> > On a low speed stop they feel like they grab pretty well.
> >
> > At higher speed it feels like when you tow something way over your limit without trailer brakes (don't say you never did that)
> >
> >
> > It just ignores your foot and slows down in its own time.
> >
> > Where do i start ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dave & Ellen Silva
> >
> > 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
> >
> >
> >
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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
Dave, sounds to me like perhaps you have some hard rotors, combine those
with soft lining materials, and you can very quickly form a polished glassy
surface on the linings. My advice? Inspect the linings. If they are glazed,
two solutions. Replacement with semi-metallic pads (best) or deglazing the
pads with 60 grit open coat abrasive on a pad, not your hand and fingers.
(second best) If your disc brake conversion involved a P-30 master
cylinder, consider returning to an OEM master cylinder. You need all the
hydraulic pressure that you can get with all disc systems. Another option
might be a hydro-boost hydraulic master cylinder.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 9:50 AM 6cuda6--- via Gmclist
wrote:

> If you decide to sand the pads do not sand them length wise...sand them
> across the width or you rotors will look like a record because the pads will
> work make grooves in them....some 40, 80 grit or what ever you have on
> hand placed, on a board etc [something flat], pads in hand not paper in hand
> and just simply clean off the pads surface....if they are grooved dont
> worry about sanding to remove the grooves.
>

> > First try some hard stopping to get the brake pads broken in to the
> rotors. If that doesn’t work take out the pads and sand the surfaces a
> > little bit or replace them. I would suggest Performance Friction pads.
> >
> > Emery Stora
> > 77 Kingsley
> > Frederick CO
> >

> > >
> > > The coach has a disk brakes all around with very few miles on them.
> It sat for a while and there is rust on the rotors.
> > >
> > > The pedal feels consistent, it does not stiffen with pumping so i
> don't think there is a leak or a need to bleed.
> > >
> > > On a low speed stop they feel like they grab pretty well.
> > >
> > > At higher speed it feels like when you tow something way over your
> limit without trailer brakes (don't say you never did that)
> > >
> > >
> > > It just ignores your foot and slows down in its own time.
> > >
> > > Where do i start ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dave & Ellen Silva
> > >
> > > 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
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I'm told the brakes worked really well when installed. It's whatever system Jim bounds was offering in 2013. I'm not going to do any re-engineering
until i make it like it was.

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Dave & Ellen Silva

1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
 
Good thinking. But, the no braking when towing would surely prompt me into
doing something pretty wiki-wiki. (That means sooner, rather than later) At
least, don't tow anything till you sort it out.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 2:47 PM dave silva via Gmclist <

> I'm told the brakes worked really well when installed. It's whatever
> system Jim bounds was offering in 2013. I'm not going to do any
> re-engineering
> until i make it like it was.
>
>
> --
> Dave & Ellen Silva
>
> 1972 Revcon Olds 455, toro drive train. All Stock
>
>
>
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Dave,

The rusty brakes going bad with speed is something that was identified in our brake laps because mostly because of warranty issues. At lower surface
speeds, the rust-dust doesn't move much, but at higher speeds it can fluidize and literally lubricate the friction surfaces. We looked for a cheap
and quick fix for the report, and never found one.

The rust on the pad surface does not do much because it will inbed in the pad material unless it is a good metallic pad and then it won't matter.

The disk face is a different story. Clean that with a hard powered wire brush or open coat sandpaper just enough to make the surface look clean. If
there is pitting remaining, that won't be real bad because the iron oxide will be coming out of that pitting with thermal cycles and at a relatively
small rate.

Matt
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