Brake Fluids

Nov 8, 1999
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> I was also an Associate Member of the Society of Automotive Engineers for
>several years and specialized in automotive coolants and brake fluids.

So Emery,
How do you feel about which brake fluid to use?? I am just about finished
with my rear disc brakes and want to change fluid. Yes, I did see the thread
go thru about 6 months ago but I didn't see one brake fluid jump out ahead
of another. Definitely concerned about the synthetics absorbing water here
in Washington state. Or is that really a
problem??...........................Terry

Terry & Diane Skinner
Webfooted in Washington
 
Emery S wrote;

> Whatever you decide to use, add the periodic flushing and refilling to
your
> list of preventative maintenance items and you should eliminate future
> problems caused by fluids.

I think this is the key- there are no brake fluids availible you can put in
and 'forget about' indefinitely. They all have advantages and disadvanages,
but regular GM Spec fluid or its equivalent is perfectly good. Brake systems
do have some aspiration naturally and will eventually pick up moisture. This
is normal and cant be prevented. The important part is changing fluid at
regular intervals before this water reaches a volume that it can deteriorate
brake system parts or cause low enough boiling points that the fluid boils
and can vapour lock your system and lose one or both circuits. This is a
very hopeless feeling when it happens...

Annual fluid changes are certainly enough for even the dampest environments,
but even in very dry areas once every 3-4 years is not too often. I do my
own vehicles annually here in Vancouver which is much like Seattle generally
for normal weather. No magic brake fluid will extend these general intervals
very far. The one happy thought you may console yourself with to offset the
cost and inconvenience of frequent brake flushings is the big parts will
last nearly indefinitely if its done regularily. Brake pipes and hoses need
fairly regular inspection in any event, its well worth getting under there
and looking at them, and replacing 'rubber' parts at regular intervals and
steel lines as well.

>From my own perspective I feel the silicone fluids are unsuitable for most
people. If I owned a collector car that sat around all the time in a
controlled environment and only occasionally ventured out for some very
gentle driving, I'd consider it, but this is far from the brief for the
typical GMC. None of the Automobile Manufacturers approve/recommend silicone
fluids at the present time to my knowledge, citing a variety of reasons,
from ABS incompatibility to seal deterioration among other things.

FWIW, I'd use conventional fluids (or the high boiling point versions) and
just make a point of flushing them out every once in a while, certainly
every couple years (or less) in most environments, regardless of
mileage/service time.

Brent Covey
Vancouver BC
 
"...concerned about the synthetics absorbing water here in Washington
state. Or is that really a problem??"

Note that Emery Stora has already written about the synthetic fluid NOT
absorbing moisture llike regular fluid can. When I bought My coach 7
years ago I replaced all of the components of the braking system and
installed DOT 5 synthetic fluid. My thinking was/is that the coach would
be sitting most of the time and that I did not want to have the fluid
absorb moisture and reduce its efficiency over time or cause pitting in
the master and wheel cylinder bores. I have had no problems, other than
having a brake line rust from the outside-in rather than the other way,
not related to the fluid type and a caution for all who live in moist
climates. I have stuck with the DOT 5 and recommend it especially if
your coach usage is sporadic. It is kind to the brake components and to
any surface that it might get spilled on. Here in Ohio, where it was 5
degrees F yesterday morning, I have never experienced line freeze or
boil. Flushing the system recently showed no evidence of moisture in any
part of the system; all old fluid was removed and examined for water,
etc. with none found.

With DOT 5 you can carry a previously-opened container with you and not
worry about it absorbing moisture from the air. Downsides are the higher
cost, limited availability and the possiblity that a mechanic might add
the wrong type of fluid by mistake (they should not be mixed). I added
several warning labels on the master cylinder and in that area to
prevent improper addition of fluid. Hope this helps.

Bob Burkitt Cincinnati '77 Palm Beach