Axle Ratios

brent covey

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Hi everyone,

Regarding axle ratios, I personally feel there is nothing to lose in going
to as low a ratio as is possible. Certainly anything up to a 3.90 or so
would not be too much, camper special pickup trucks routinely use 4.11 and
4.56 ratios after all.

GM recommended a ratio of 3.42 in the early 1970's on most full size car
lines with 454-455 engines in the trailer towing packages. This was
considered adequate to tow a 7000 lb travel trailer with, say, a Caprice or
LeSabre. 1973 up Three Quarter and One Ton pickups with Camper Special
Equipment had a mandatory 3.73 ratio as a minimum requirement.

For best economy for travelling under a heavy load it is desirable to gear a
vehicle for operation at or up to ~400 rpm below the net torque peak at the
usual road speed. This assumes the engine makes adequate torque to carry the
load at that rpm. I generally would shoot for a 60 mph cruising speed, and
appropriate gearing for that. Driving a large vehicle over 60 starts to
really use a lot of power and fuel, and setting them up for say 75 mph
cruise is kind of pointless, theres not much scope for good economy at that
speed anyhow.

Aerodynamic drag is the largest issue from a cruising perspective. According
to a chart I have in a GMC Dealer Data Book heres the Air Resistance Demand
Horsepower figures between 30 and 70 MPH for a relatively square nosed
vehicle of 60 sq/ft frontal area.

30 7.8
35 12.3
40 18.4
45 26.2
47 29.9
49 33.8
50 36.0
52 40.4
54 45.3
56 50.5
58 56.1
60 62.1
65 79.0
70 98.7

As you can see, horsepower just for wind drag is very significant. Driving
56 mph takes about half the output to overcome the wind that 70 mph does.
Rolling Drag losses go up proportional to road speed/weight, and not
exponentially as wind drag. Twice as fast or twice the weight = twice the
drag for weight and rolling resistance for the most part. Takes about 20HP
to overcome rolling resistance of a GMC at 60-65 MPH. At 30 MPH it would be
more like 10HP.

Another thing to consider is there is approximately 145-160 net HP availible
in the first place from which you can deduct the drag;-)

I would definitely think the factory installed 3.07 is too tall for the
application. The GMC would be 'driveable' right down to a 2.41 in all
likelihood, but with disasterous economy and performance implications. One
real gas eater is operating an engine below 7" Hg or thereabouts vacuum
readings- your power enrichment system is activated and mixture strengths
are increased quite drastically and this pulls fuel economy way down. If a
higher numerically ratio set of gears permits you to cruise and handle minor
grades and headwinds without a susbstantial loss of manifold vacuum, you
will get better economy. Liberal use of second gear can help also. Keep
vacuum over 8" as much as possible.

Just for reference, the tires on a GMC rolls about 675 revolutions per mile.
Multiplying 675 times the axle ratio gives the engine RPM at 60 MPH. 675 x
3.07 = 2072.25 rpm @ 60 MPH.

Dividing 2072/60 = 34.5 rpm per MPH. At 100 MPH the GMC would only do 3450
rpm at this rate- thats a pretty tall ratio! Of course there is slight slip
at the torque converter, so the actual figure is slightly higher as
indicated on the tachometer.

The torque peak of the 455 is about 2800 RPM as I recall, this means a
range between 2400-2800 RPM would be the ideal for cruise economy. 2800/675
= 4.14, which would be about the lowest ratio you'd want, and 2400/675 =
3.55 which would likely be the ideal, at 60 mph average cruise speed in any
event. A 3.42 is not far off that, and with slight converter slippage would
be pretty darn close to ideal.

I've seen the Caspro Power Drive Chain system and the aforementioned box for
switch pitch control made by the Toro List member and they are both
excellent units and I will be using both myself. The switch pitch converter
is desirable if you have an opportunity to obtain one, not vital, but a
definite refinement.

Anyhow, basically to sum, the benefits of a high numerically ratio axle are
substantial for the typical owner, and although even a 2.73/3.07 etc. will
work and drive acceptibly with adequate performance, the penalties for
economy and performance would probably substantially pay the costs of an
upgraded axle ratio in a short time. Go for the 3.21 3.42 3.54 3.73 if you
can get them!

Hope this helps!

Brent
 
Hi Arch!

>Here are my questions. With a 3.07 at what engine rpm am I running at
>22 mph in first gear?

1900

What RPM am I turning at 42 mph in second gear?

2200
>
>Now my next set of questions. Same speeds in the same gear with a
>3.42?

2125/2450

These figures are approximate- if you just swapped axles and did not make
other changes, if those are the speeds your GMC currently upshifts, it will
continue to do them at pretty much the same RPM, but a slightly lower road
speed.

First gear is about a 2.5 ratio and second is about 1.5. If you multiply top
gear RPM by these figures you can determine the RPM in the lower gears.

.>Brent thanks for a great post!!!!!

:-) glad you enjoyed it!

Brent
 
Hi Arch!

>I was a little concerned that maybe I was getting a
>little high in the rpm range with this shift kit. More to the point would
>I be to high with a 3.42?

Well, the thing to remember is the transmission hasn't the slightest idea
what ratio the final drive gears are (In the differential) and therefore
will upshift at a particular loading (how heavily you have your foot into
it) and engine speed without regard to axle ratio. This means if at 1/2
throttle it shifts at 2200 RPM now, with the 3.07, it will continue to shift
at 2200 RPM with any other ratio as long as the throttle opening is about
the same (1/2 in our example). What will change is that the GMC would be
rolling slightly slower if you changed to 3.21-3.73 ratio gears, and thus
this 2200 RPM engine speed upshift would occur at a slightly lower road
speed. On the other hand, you might not need as heavy a foot to atain the
desired level of acceleration, and therefore in actual practice, it might
even upshift much sooner.

Unless the transmission upshifts very very late at full throttle (over 4600
rpm) the kit will not hurt the engine in any event. Thats when you'll need
to keep an eye on it. For your reference, 4600 RPM in a GMC with the stock
axle ratio (3.07) is 133 MPH in high gear, 91 MPH in second and 54 MPH in
first. I think you will discover you have a very wide margin of safety,
Arch, especially against overspeeding the engine in third gear! The redline
on that Olds engine is 4800-5000 RPM I think, so even these figures are
quite safe.

Better performance is likely obtained with a full throttle upshift occuring
closer to 4000 RPM I would imagine. At light throttle its fine if they occur
quite early.

>Your posts have laid to rest any concerns I
>had about going to the 3.42. Looks like I am just getting closer to the
>power curve.

Yes, I don't think you need worry about the longevity aspects too much-
despite the large hop in ratios, it really works out to a few hundered RPM
difference on the road, and is a quite conservative ratio due to the large
tires the GMC uses. Keeping the engine operating in that range around the
torque peak is the most efficient method of moving a large load.

Looks like you're on the right track Arch; keep us posted!

Brent Covey
 
Wow. I'm fact enriched.

Thanks Brent, I've not read as complete an explanation. This has me thinking
about this whole subject.

Now, while we're on this subject...

I seem to remember that one of these 'new' axle ratios had a whine that was
not related to a bad ring/pinion set, but just a design flaw.

Who / what was that so we all avoid it.

Mark

[chainsaw'd to here]
|
|Anyhow, basically to sum, the benefits of a high numerically ratio axle are
|substantial for the typical owner, and although even a 2.73/3.07 etc. will
|work and drive acceptibly with adequate performance, the penalties for
|economy and performance would probably substantially pay the costs of an
|upgraded axle ratio in a short time. Go for the 3.21 3.42 3.54 3.73 if you
|can get them!
|
|Hope this helps!
|
|Brent
|
|
 
Mark:

The 3.46:1 set had the whine. I don't believe Marvin Peck sells them
anymore, though.

Paul Bartz

From: Mark Grady [mailto:mgrady]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Axle Ratios

Wow. I'm fact enriched.

Thanks Brent, I've not read as complete an explanation. This has me thinking
about this whole subject.

Now, while we're on this subject...

I seem to remember that one of these 'new' axle ratios had a whine that was
not related to a bad ring/pinion set, but just a design flaw.

Who / what was that so we all avoid it.

Mark

[chainsaw'd to here]
|
|Anyhow, basically to sum, the benefits of a high numerically ratio axle are
|substantial for the typical owner, and although even a 2.73/3.07 etc. will
|work and drive acceptibly with adequate performance, the penalties for
|economy and performance would probably substantially pay the costs of an
|upgraded axle ratio in a short time. Go for the 3.21 3.42 3.54 3.73 if you
|can get them!
|
|Brent
 
Our Palm Beach has Marvin's 3.46 final drive and this is the first I've
heard of a whining problem. I haven't noticed it but will be more
attentive to it now.

bdub
76 Palm Beach
Central Texas

>Mark:
>
>The 3.46:1 set had the whine. I don't believe Marvin Peck sells them
>anymore, though.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>
>I seem to remember that one of these 'new' axle ratios had a whine that was
>not related to a bad ring/pinion set, but just a design flaw.
>
>Who / what was that so we all avoid it.
>Mark
 
Billy:

If you haven't noticed by now, you probably won't see a change in the
future. Individuals I know who installed it, had a noise right from the
start.

Paul

From: Billy Massey [mailto:bmassey]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: GMC: Axle Ratios

Our Palm Beach has Marvin's 3.46 final drive and this is the first I've
heard of a whining problem. I haven't noticed it but will be more
attentive to it now.

>Mark:
>
>The 3.46:1 set had the whine. I don't believe Marvin Peck sells them
>anymore, though.
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>I seem to remember that one of these 'new' axle ratios had a whine that was
>not related to a bad ring/pinion set, but just a design flaw.
>
>Who / what was that so we all avoid it.
>Mark
 
Emery:

I don't believe that alignment was necessarily the source of the whine in
the 3.46:1 gears, although I did understand that the one's Jasper were
building for Marvin were thought to be so. Story I heard was that Marvin
thought a senior individual was doing the buildup and allegedly it was his
son or some other underling???

Subsequently, I know that Marvin, and I believe C. O Richards, were looking
for a new manufacturer because of the problem. So apparently it was either
an inherent design or manufacturing problem. If I'm not mistaken several
years ago, C. O. came to Vicksburg, here, and had Dick Crawford take him to
Chicago to talk to other gear manufacturer's about producing the gear's.
I'll ask Dick about it. You'll not that Marvin no longer sells the 3.46:1
gear's!

Paul Bartz

From: EMERYSTORA [mailto:EMERYSTORA]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: Axle Ratios

In a message dated 8/27/99 9:45:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,