Autolevel/Level/Newbie question

Bob,

I agree 100% that GM had engineers that knew what they were doing and I
agree that the ride height affects the items you noted. However, I'd really
like to know just how much the front to rear drop affects those items.

Front to rear drop can be calculated as follows:

Front ride height 13 1/8 inches
Rear ride height 11 11/16 inches

13 1/8 - 11 11/16 =
13 2/16 - 11 11/16 =
12 18/16 - 11 11/16 = 1 7/16

That distance between the drop can be calculated on a 26 foot GMC as
follows:

Wheel base = center of front axle to center of dual bogies = 160 inches
Center of front axle to center of front slot = 24 3/8 inches
Center of dual bogies to center of rear slot = 56 3/8 inches

160 - 24 3/8 + 56 3/8 = 192 inches = 16 feet

Therefore if my math is correct we have a drop of 1 7/16 inches over 16
feet.

I don't have the skill to calculate the effects of that drop on the factors
you noted.

However, since one does not have to have any skill (or intelligence) to
express an opinion here goes. I'd say that if one sets the ride height front
to rear level with the front axles level and can get 5° degrees of caster,
0° degrees of camber, and 0 toe in/out I believe a GMC will steer, stop, and
handle OK.

As noted in an earlier message I will conduct this experiment the next time
I'm in the USA which will probably be the spring of 2012.

As noted in many of my messages, PLEASE feel free to ignite what I've noted
above using a flame thrower!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff

Set the coach to the heights mentioned in the shop manual per the slots in
the frame. This is not to be taken lightly since it affects the roll center
height, the weight distribution, the airbag pressures, front joint angles,
brake balance, and so on. Do you think GM just pulled these numbers out of
their ..s?
--
Bob
 
Rob, keep us posted on what you discover

Sully
77 royale
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Rob Mueller"
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Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:19:35
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Autolevel/Level/Newbie question

Bob,

I agree 100% that GM had engineers that knew what they were doing and I
agree that the ride height affects the items you noted. However, I'd really
like to know just how much the front to rear drop affects those items.

Front to rear drop can be calculated as follows:

Front ride height 13 1/8 inches
Rear ride height 11 11/16 inches

13 1/8 - 11 11/16 =
13 2/16 - 11 11/16 =
12 18/16 - 11 11/16 = 1 7/16

That distance between the drop can be calculated on a 26 foot GMC as
follows:

Wheel base = center of front axle to center of dual bogies = 160 inches
Center of front axle to center of front slot = 24 3/8 inches
Center of dual bogies to center of rear slot = 56 3/8 inches

160 - 24 3/8 + 56 3/8 = 192 inches = 16 feet

Therefore if my math is correct we have a drop of 1 7/16 inches over 16
feet.

I don't have the skill to calculate the effects of that drop on the factors
you noted.

However, since one does not have to have any skill (or intelligence) to
express an opinion here goes. I'd say that if one sets the ride height front
to rear level with the front axles level and can get 5° degrees of caster,
0° degrees of camber, and 0 toe in/out I believe a GMC will steer, stop, and
handle OK.

As noted in an earlier message I will conduct this experiment the next time
I'm in the USA which will probably be the spring of 2012.

As noted in many of my messages, PLEASE feel free to ignite what I've noted
above using a flame thrower!

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob de Kruyff

Set the coach to the heights mentioned in the shop manual per the slots in
the frame. This is not to be taken lightly since it affects the roll center
height, the weight distribution, the airbag pressures, front joint angles,
brake balance, and so on. Do you think GM just pulled these numbers out of
their ..s?
--
Bob

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> Bob,
>
> I agree 100% that GM had engineers that knew what they were doing and I
> agree that the ride height affects the items you noted. However, I'd really
> like to know just how much the front to rear drop affects those items.
>
> Front to rear drop can be calculated as follows:
>
> Front ride height 13 1/8 inches
> Rear ride height 11 11/16 inches
>
> 13 1/8 - 11 11/16 =
> 13 2/16 - 11 11/16 =
> 12 18/16 - 11 11/16 = 1 7/16
>
> That distance between the drop can be calculated on a 26 foot GMC as
> follows:
>
> Wheel base = center of front axle to center of dual bogies = 160 inches
> Center of front axle to center of front slot = 24 3/8 inches
> Center of dual bogies to center of rear slot = 56 3/8 inches
>
> 160 - 24 3/8 + 56 3/8 = 192 inches = 16 feet
>
> Therefore if my math is correct we have a drop of 1 7/16 inches over 16
> feet.
>
> I don't have the skill to calculate the effects of that drop on the factors
> you noted.
>
> However, since one does not have to have any skill (or intelligence) to
> express an opinion here goes. I'd say that if one sets the ride height front
> to rear level with the front axles level and can get 5° degrees of caster,
> 0° degrees of camber, and 0 toe in/out I believe a GMC will steer, stop, and
> handle OK.
>
> As noted in an earlier message I will conduct this experiment the next time
> I'm in the USA which will probably be the spring of 2012.
>
> As noted in many of my messages, PLEASE feel free to ignite what I've noted
> above using a flame thrower!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> Sydney, Australia
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob de Kruyff
>
> Set the coach to the heights mentioned in the shop manual per the slots in
> the frame. This is not to be taken lightly since it affects the roll center
> height, the weight distribution, the airbag pressures, front joint angles,
> brake balance, and so on. Do you think GM just pulled these numbers out of
> their ..s?
> --
> Bob
>
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Wow: I had always thought the back end was lower to keep the most fuel in the rear tank.
--
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont by Midas
East Tennessee
 
Chuck,

As they say; "your guess is as good as mine!" ;-)

Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Boyd

Wow: I had always thought the back end was lower to keep the most fuel in
the rear tank.
--
C. Boyd
 
Rob,
It may have been done, for Aerodynamic reasons ,Angle of attack ,to Air
Flow.

Paul Cashman
Riverdale GA
1978 Transmode

> Bob,
>
> I agree 100% that GM had engineers that knew what they were doing and
> I agree that the ride height affects the items you noted. However, I'd
> really like to know just how much the front to rear drop affects those
items.
>
 
Paul,

Good point, more calculations to follow after I take some measurements of
The Blue Streak.

Regards,
Rob M.

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Cashman

Rob,
It may have been done, for Aerodynamic reasons ,Angle of attack ,to Air
Flow.

Paul