Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank

>
> Second, I did not say that the welds were bad from manufacture or defective at manufacture. Actually I would advise against assuming the problem
> was a defect. Especially with the need to err on the side of caution if only cuz we're talking about highly combustible stuff, not to mention 40
> years is a lot of contracting/expanding and bouncing. Moreover, putting another 40 year-old LP gas 60lb. bomb-equivalent to replace mine seemed
> illogical to me. Additionally, I want the motorhome to be the best condition I can, not just for my time using it, but also for whoever else drives
> this in the next 40 years.
>
> david

David,

I know you did not say that the weld was bad at manufacture. I said that. I wrote that with good reason.
If you are correct and the tanks has failed (cracked) at the weld or where it should have been welded, it was a defective weld. That is all there is
to that.

A properly done weld should be as strong and tough (two different things) as the parent metal. This is both an ASME and ASTM standards. I have done
tests to the welds in super-critical (steam reference) power plant welds to prove this. This is not nearly a unique situation.

Welded assemblies can fail. 45 years ago I supervised the assembly of the DECO Monroe power plant. It was designed for a 20 year life. It is still
on line, but five years ago the reheat piping was replaced with drawn tubing. It was originally seamed. While the field welds were no issue, the
seams were machine welded and an ultrasonic inspection showed cracking starting in the root of the welded seams on some sections. This was no
surprise to me because the X-rays of the welds that I certified frequently showed poor root fusion. They were defective 45 years ago and only had to
be heated to 1005°F about 200 times with 500 psi steam to start cracking.

Matt
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G'day,

Some additional information:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090726234748AAjVAlH

http://www.inspectapedia.com/plumbing/Propane_Tank_Gas_Pressures.php

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/what-is-the-pressure-inside-domestic-l
pg-cylinders.689568/

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank

Hi you guys. Thanks for all the comments. First let me say that I'll have
photos and a price breakdown for my new 19.3 gallon LP gas tank posted
tonight at the latest.

Second, I did not say that the welds were bad from manufacture or defective
at manufacture. Actually I would advise against assuming the problem was
a defect. Especially with the need to err on the side of caution if only
cuz we're talking about highly combustible stuff, not to mention 40 years is
a lot of contracting/expanding and bouncing. Moreover, putting another 40
year-old LP gas 60lb. bomb-equivalent to replace mine seemed illogical to
me. Additionally, I want the motorhome to be the best condition I can, not
just for my time using it, but also for whoever else drives this in the
next 40 years.

Third, it would behoove someone smarter than me to conclude what really is
the expected life expectancy of these tanks, cuz 40 years is a long time.
That's a lot of contracting and expanding cuz there's lots of temperature
changes in that time, and harsh climates - and alot alot alot of bouncing.
Lots of tanks don't bounce in their lifetime, meaning our tanks have that
ADDED stress.. We should also keep in mind that all these pressure vessels
are built only for their purpose - meaning a 60lb. tank is not built as
tough as a boiler. Just built to hold 60lb. of LP gas for however many
years.

But for me, I didn't need to fully understand the issue of life expectancy.
I had to replace mine now and so that forced me to decide on used vs. new
right away. And like I said, given that choice, it's obvious to me to buy
new. But - my desire was for the original 19.3 gallon size tank, not the
11.2 gallon tank that AppliedGMC sells. That's been my quest. And toward
that end, I look forward to sharing the price breakdown and installation
photos tonight.
david
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and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico

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Thank you Matt and Rob. Very informative.
david
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Photos coming of my LP gas installation; Manchester 6819, 19.3 gallons, 12" X 42". Will post price breakdown later. david
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sorry - photo did not upload - do not know why. will try something different. david
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
Cannot upload photos, quote: "File attachment is too big (over allowed limit of 1024 bytes)". Any suggestions anyone please?
david
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Post them at Gmcmhphotos.com (it's free), and link them here.

Rick "works best for email readers" Denney

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 10:35 PM David J. Forjan
wrote:

> Cannot upload photos, quote: "File attachment is too big (over allowed
> limit of 1024 bytes)". Any suggestions anyone please?
> david
>
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> Cannot upload photos, quote: "File attachment is too big (over allowed limit of 1024 bytes)". Any suggestions anyone please?
> david

The sysadmin set a tiny limit to keep people from attaching files because the server has limited drive space.

You post to the photo site (that has enough space for pictures) and link the url, or urls, in your post.

If you want to imbed the picture to display in your post, use the IMG tags (see the "Help" section of the forum AND follow that with the url(s)).

If you want something really elegant (that shows up in the forum as a picture without an extraneous url, and as a url for the mail list subcribers)
read here:

http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&th=31075&start=0&rid=2083
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Thank you. I saw photos embedded in a post and I thought I could just upload directly. This may be awhile though, FWIW, I have an account at
gmcmphotos.com, but I forgot my login info, like I always do, my computer also forgot that info, and to reset, the only option is to send to what was
my email address I used at that time, but it's no longer my email address now, and so gmcmphotos.com can only send me that info to my old address not
in use anymore. Bummer
david
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I feel your pain. But an email to Billy Massey will sort it quickly.

Rick "who has had to do this in the past" Denney

On Sat, May 13, 2017 at 11:20 PM David J. Forjan
wrote:

> Thank you. I saw photos embedded in a post and I thought I could just
> upload directly. This may be awhile though, FWIW, I have an account at
> gmcmphotos.com, but I forgot my login info, like I always do, my computer
> also forgot that info, and to reset, the only option is to send to what was
> my email address I used at that time, but it's no longer my email address
> now, and so gmcmphotos.com can only send me that info to my old address
> not
> in use anymore. Bummer
> david
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> Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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giving up for tonight - cannot upload photos - time to eat. david
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David -

Simply register a new account. Then you can post your pictures.

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I'll revive the old account.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> David -
>
> Simply register a new account. Then you can post your pictures.
>
> --johnny
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Good morning folks. And Happy Mother's Day to all Moms out there.

Thanks to Billy I got into my album account and posted 7 pix of my new LP gas tank installation. A very clean job. And sturdy. I'm thrilled. Here
are two links, the first goes to the main page of the gmcmhphotos.com page which posts new photos. The second goes to my album (without having to
sign in) cuz I'm not sure how long the new photos stay on the home page. Note that 2 photos got somehow turned sideways somehow during the upload.
Might be confusing at first.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/index.php

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6962-forjan-27s-1977-palm-beach.html

Here's a price breakdown:
New 6819 tank from Manchester - $687
Tank volume sending unit for coach gauge - $51 (could have been ordered installed already in the tank but the RV guys forgot to do that, they put in
their own new one)
Labor - $300 (many of you guys could do this yourselves, all my tools are back east and I didn't want to buy new tools. Note this includes their
time to design it once the tank came, which was tricky and tight as I mention below)
Freight for the tank delivery - $225 (this was a surprisingly big number. In hindsight I'd like to think others can have had it shipped cheaper)
New regulator - $25 (this was necessary because the old one was too fat, and that was a problem cuz note that this new tank has the fittings about in
the middle of the tank. This makes them stick out farther than the old ones. The old tank had those fittings up higher on the tank, which moves them
farther from the compartment door when closed. Hope I said that clearly.

I must mention that they guys had to remove about 3/8 of the insulation on the wall behind the tank cuz it was that tight (cuz the fittings stick out
more being on the frontmost part of the tank, in the middle). But after that, the compartment door closes just fine without hitting anything.

Any questions, just ask.
Thanks to you all for all your suggestions and information - about ALL aspects of LP gas tanks.

Be well and have a great day.
david
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
I must also say that anyone can call me anytime with questions, even if you're not a member of the forum. I gladly give my phone number out all the
time. My one and only one number is my cell, 607-427-9131.
Be well.
david
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
That's a nice looking install. Taking the tank out of both of mine was like a Chinese puzzle - you hfta twist and turn and shimmy and dance, but they
come out. Took me an hour or so for each. I bet the Factory Guy picked them up and slipped them right in the bay in seconds.. because he did it all
day.

--johnny
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76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
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Thanks Johnny. And - I'll mention now the company that did the work. Alamo RV Sales and Service in Alamogordo NM. Justin designed and managed the
installation. They're located at 7023 Highway 54/70, Alamogordo NM 88310, phone number is (575) 434-3783.
david
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico