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Does anyone know a source for the large LP gas tank? A 19.3 gallon tank in my Palm Beach. Applied GMC only sells an tank of 11.2 gallons as their
biggest. Manchester does not build the tank to inventory, it takes 5-7 weeks to build to order. And seeing how mine is leaking, I'd like to replace
it ASAP. So...
Does anyone know a source for a new LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons, that fits into that compartment of the 1977 26' Palm Beach?
Thank you.
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
David

What size is the original ? Get a used one ?
I've got a spare but I'm still using the propane out of it.. Anyone with
a parts coach will have one.

I'll be down for enchiladas(green) soon :)

Mike in NS

On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 4:03 PM, David J. Forjan
wrote:

> Does anyone know a source for the large LP gas tank? A 19.3 gallon tank
> in my Palm Beach. Applied GMC only sells an tank of 11.2 gallons as their
> biggest. Manchester does not build the tank to inventory, it takes 5-7
> weeks to build to order. And seeing how mine is leaking, I'd like to
> replace
> it ASAP. So...
> Does anyone know a source for a new LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons, that fits
> into that compartment of the 1977 26' Palm Beach?
> Thank you.
> --
> David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final
> Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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Antigonish, NS

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Contact Jim Bounds down at the COOP:

http://www.gmccoop.com/

At one time he had a heap of used tanks.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
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Does anyone know a source for the large LP gas tank? A 19.3 gallon tank in
my Palm Beach. Applied GMC only sells an tank of 11.2 gallons as their
biggest. Manchester does not build the tank to inventory, it takes 5-7
weeks to build to order. And seeing how mine is leaking, I'd like to
replace it ASAP. So...
Does anyone know a source for a new LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons, that fits
into that compartment of the 1977 26' Palm Beach?
Thank you.
--
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive
and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
Thanks Michael. Looking for a new one. Average lifespan of an ASME tank is 30-40 years. Mine is an example. 40 years old, and leaking at one of
the welds. And well taken care of I might add. If I'm putting in a replacement, I'll go with a new one.
BTW it's 12" dia. by 42" long, 19.3 gallons.
I'lll save you some of the green enchiladas. ;)
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
Are you SURE it's your tank that's leaking?

The on-off valve can leak if it's not all the way on or off.

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Subject: [GMCnet] Anyone know a source for the large LP Gas tank

Does anyone know a source for the large LP gas tank? A 19.3 gallon tank in my Palm Beach. Applied GMC only sells an tank of 11.2 gallons as their
biggest. Manchester does not build the tank to inventory, it takes 5-7 weeks to build to order. And seeing how mine is leaking, I'd like to replace
it ASAP. So...
Does anyone know a source for a new LP gas tank, 19.3 gallons, that fits into that compartment of the 1977 26' Palm Beach?
Thank you.
--
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico

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I can't help with a stock size replacement tank, but are you SURE you need one that large? Mine was replaced with a Manchester 30# (about 7.5
gallons) tank and I only need to have it filled about once per year. Even at that, it usually only takes 3 - 5 gallons. Unless you use your furnace
a lot, or run your APU on propane, a smaller tank will work well and give you some additional storage space in the propane compartment. Oh, and we do
a lot of dry camping, running the fridge on propane and using the gas stove a lot.
--
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging
 
Yes we're sure. The guy who checked it out is very good. With a mirror and a flashlight, both arranged just right, we could see the vapor, like a
fog, coming out of the weld in back where the semicircular end is welded onto the main cylinder part, right side of tank in rear of tank. All other
fittings were leak tested, and since it lost LP Gas when the valve was closed, we knew it had to be leaking at the tank. 2 guys checked all the
fittings, one of them found the leak at the weld. I was impressed. Thanks for taking the time
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David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
David,
Re-read Carl's post. You answered a question not asked.
He's not asking if you're sure your tank is leaking. He's asking if you're sure you want/need a hard to find new 19.3 gal LARGE tank.

Based on his usage- a smaller tank is more than adequate.

If you really want an original GMC tank- I have an extra one-yours for free if you can get it from Nor Cal to N.M. Not new but still holding the same
propane as when I acquired it about 10 years ago.
--
Gene Barrow
Lake Almanor, Ca.
1976 Palm Beach
 
Try this.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/santa-rosa/p24892-cimg3399-small.html

> David,
> Re-read Carl's post. You answered a question not asked.
> He's not asking if you're sure your tank is leaking. He's asking if
> you're sure you want/need a hard to find new 19.3 gal LARGE tank.
>
> Based on his usage- a smaller tank is more than adequate.
>
> If you really want an original GMC tank- I have an extra one-yours for
> free if you can get it from Nor Cal to N.M. Not new but still holding the
> same
> propane as when I acquired it about 10 years ago.
> --
> Gene Barrow
> Lake Almanor, Ca.
> 1976 Palm Beach
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Beware that some of these fiberglass tanks have been recalled.(See Link Below) The tank to be installed this way it needs to be rated for horizontal service and some have 2 valves, one rated for vertical and one for horizontal service. Using a tank not rated for horizontal service can lead to liquid propane into your gas lines and that would be bad! One that are used on forklift service typically are mounted horizontally. You need to make sure that the tank is rated for horizontal VAPOR service!

This is how we use a DOT style tank to feed the system when we go long term such as spending the winter in Tucson.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6671-external-propane-tank-hookup.html

We have a 30# tank that last a week to 10 days depending on the weather. My LP Supplier supplied me with a steel DOT tank to replace the fiberglass unit.

I had bought one of the Fiberglas tanks:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p46780-lp-tank-modification.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p46778-lp-tank-modification.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/general-pictures/p46777-lp-tank-modification.html

Recall Link:
http://www.phmsa.dot.gov/cylinder-recall

The LP guys in FLA didn’t know how to fill them the first time that I went to have it filled. All the tanks by this company were recalled as unsafe, did not meet specification for this kind of tank construction. There a number of seller on the internet, just do a search for “fiberglass propane tank”. You have to be carful as some forklifts are a liquid fuel propane and use a vaporizer to feed the carb.

It is not that simple to be safe and do your research to get the right tank

Regards,

J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
Newsletter Editor/Publisher
Tech Editor
78 Buskirk 30' Stretch
75 Avion Under Reconstruction
Michigan

>
> Try this.
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/santa-rosa/p24892-cimg3399-small.html
>
>
>

>
>> David,
>> Re-read Carl's post. You answered a question not asked.
>> He's not asking if you're sure your tank is leaking. He's asking if
>> you're sure you want/need a hard to find new 19.3 gal LARGE tank.
>>
>> Based on his usage- a smaller tank is more than adequate.
>>
>> If you really want an original GMC tank- I have an extra one-yours for
>> free if you can get it from Nor Cal to N.M. Not new but still holding the
>> same
>> propane as when I acquired it about 10 years ago.
>> --
>> Gene Barrow
>> Lake Almanor, Ca.
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>>
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5 1/2 is kinda small. Looking for 19.3 gallons, 12" dia. X 42" long. Thanks for the thought!
--
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
Anyone mention that a 78 Royale has about a 13" by 39" LP tank. That's what's in our rear bath 78 Royale. I can get a dead on measure if needed. Call if you want. 319-521-4891 Bob Dunahugh
 
> Yeah hey Gene,
> I answered k2gkk's post about am I sure it's leaking. Didn't get to Carl's yet. As for the size, considering all things, why not have the bigger
> tank, which at 80% fill (the pressure cut-off when filling) yields 15 gallons. And the 11.2 tank, at the 80% fill capacity is about 9 gallons.
> Maybe other folks don't mind finding gas filling stations when traveling, but to me it's one less hassle. And with heat and cooking and soon a
> fridge using LP, why cut one's self short, if available. I can let visitors stay in the motorhome, and then not have to worry about heat during
> fall and winter and early spring. And then there's the economics. Applied GMC charges about $498 for the 11.2 gallon, and $419 for the 5.5 gallon.
> 16% more money for over twice the capacity. What I"m really surprised at is that a new version of this large LP gas tank is not readily available.
> GMC thought 19.3 gallons was appropriate and I agree. Others may not, but I'll not compromise - yet anyway. I'll probably ask Manchester Tanks to
> build one and have a new one, not one that's 40 years old, which is the average life span for an ASME tank, cuz you know, it's kinda like a 60 pound
> bomb you carry around. If any one hing should be bought new for replacement seems it would be the LP gas tank. Thanks for you followup. David

It is always interesting to me that the folks that say get a smaller LP tank or get rid of it entirely seem to be from warmer climates. We fill our
LP tank several times a year and would never consider a smaller tank.

Also, the tank that came with our Palm Beach is listed (page 108 of the 1976 Operating Manual) as having a capacity of 62.0 lbs. Divide that by the
weight of LP gas (4.2 lbs/gallon) and you get 14.72 gallons, not 19.3 gallons. Did GMC go with a 19.3-gallon tank on some model years? I don't know.
I think the 23' footers came with a smaller tank from GM.

80% of 14.72 is almost 12 gallons (11.81 to be exact) not 9 gallons. I know that to be true because I often have close to 11 gallons put in when I
fill it up. I would love to get a larger tank if one was available at a reasonable cost and would fit.

--
Richard
76 Palm Beach
SE Michigan
www.PalmBeachGMC.com


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> > Yeah hey Gene,
> > I answered k2gkk's post about am I sure it's leaking. Didn't get to Carl's yet. As for the size, considering all things, why not have the
> > bigger tank, which at 80% fill (the pressure cut-off when filling) yields 15 gallons. And the 11.2 tank, at the 80% fill capacity is about 9
> > gallons. Maybe other folks don't mind finding gas filling stations when traveling, but to me it's one less hassle. And with heat and cooking and
> > soon a fridge using LP, why cut one's self short, if available. I can let visitors stay in the motorhome, and then not have to worry about heat
> > during fall and winter and early spring. And then there's the economics. Applied GMC charges about $498 for the 11.2 gallon, and $419 for the
> > 5.5 gallon. 16% more money for over twice the capacity. What I"m really surprised at is that a new version of this large LP gas tank is not
> > readily available. GMC thought 19.3 gallons was appropriate and I agree. Others may not, but I'll not compromise - yet anyway. I'll probably
> > ask Manchester Tanks to build one and have a new one, not one that's 40 years old, which is the average life span for an ASME tank, cuz you know,
> > it's kinda like a 60 pound bomb you carry around. If any one hing should be bought new for replacement seems it would be the LP gas tank. Thanks
> > for you followup. David
>
> It is always interesting to me that the folks that say get a smaller LP tank or get rid of it entirely seem to be from warmer climates. We fill
> our LP tank several times a year and would never consider a smaller tank.
>
> Also, the tank that came with our Palm Beach is listed (page 108 of the 1976 Operating Manual) as having a capacity of 62.0 lbs. Divide that by
> the weight of LP gas (4.2 lbs/gallon) and you get 14.72 gallons, not 19.3 gallons. Did GMC go with a 19.3-gallon tank on some model years? I don't
> know. I think the 23' footers came with a smaller tank from GM.
>
> 80% of 14.72 is almost 12 gallons (11.81 to be exact) not 9 gallons. I know that to be true because I often have close to 11 gallons put in when
> I fill it up. I would love to get a larger tank if one was available at a reasonable cost and would fit.


Note that David is from Tularosa, NM. Not as warm as Tucson in the winter, but certainly not a cooler climate like Michigan.

David evidently has his reasons for wanting a large tank, so more power to him. I have never had to buy propane on the road with my smaller tank in a
warmer climate, even using the propane fridge, stove, and occasionally the furnace. Just suggesting a less expensive alternative to a custom built
tank.
--
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging
 
Thanks again Carl. I want to make a few more points. First, although I live in southern New Mexico now, I frequently go up north around ABQ and
Santa Fe (and back to the northeast too). And you know these motorhomes have no heat retention. As the temperature drops outside, it drops in
inside. Twice I stayed overnight up north when it got down to 40F at night. The furnace was going almost continually. Right after it achieved the
thermostat setting of 70F, turned off, it went back on almost right away. Traveling around in the north in fall or winter or early spring will
require heat. And my Dog is old, she deserves comfort. Second, the metal label on the LP Gas tank says it's 19.3 gallons. When It was empty it took
15 gallons, which is correct given 80% of 19.3 is about 15 gallons. Third, ordering a new tank from Manchester is not a custom built tank. They have
produced that specific tank (P/N 6818) since the beginning. They just don't stock them, you have to order one for them to build one. But it's not
custom. Monday I'll call and ask them to build one and we'll see how much and how long to get one. Fourth. I am adamant that it's not worth
replacing it with another tank that's 40 years old (thanks for the offers though). Even if cared for, that old tank still has 40 years of temperature
fluctuations, with expansion and contraction that metal experiences with temperature change, and those forces add up, 40 years is a long time, and
that's why the expected lifespan of an ASME tank if 30-40 years. Especially a vessel that holds something as flammable as LP Gas. No I'll get a new
one, even if that ultimately limits my choice to a smaller one. Fifth. If one day my water heater goes kaput, I'll replace it with an on-demand LP
Gas hot water heater. Have one in my house back east and it's very nice to have CONTINUOUS hot water with an on-demand heater. LP Gas on-demand
water heater is more efficient than electric. So into the future, I'll only increase my use of LP Gas, not decrease it. Sixth. Note that the
Manchester tank listed on Amazon, that mghamms linked to (thank you), the Manchester (6828) 14" x 40" ASME Tank, at 16.36 gallons is $538. So, from
the 11.2 gallon tank on Applied GMC at $498, to getting 5 more gallons, 44% more, is only another $40. Too bad that one on Amazon only mounts from
the top. I'll see what Manchester says about their 6818 when I ask, so maybe I don't have to re-engineer the mounting.

Seventh. Thank you all for your advice and opinions and experiences and offers and links. I have decided to get that 6818 from Manchester, new, and
Monday I should know how much they'll charge, and how long to get one. I have spent about $10k on new parts for this Palm Beach, and I won't
compromise for a used LP gas tank. I'm renovating this Palm Beach for the long haul (pun intended), because after I no longer want to travel around,
I want someone else to have the pleasure with this Palm Beach. The engine only has about 41K miles, so it still has legs as they say.

Thank you all again very much. Debate is one way we all get smarter and wiser. And given enough debate, solutions become obvious.
--
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
My 26' has a new Suburban furnace, which will run perhaps ten - fifteen minutes oput of the hour on a night in the 20s, and doen't use a lot of
propane doing it. If you're using much more than that you migth want to look for restrictions in the air flow which aren't enough to stop the safety
from closing but are enough to affect the efficiency.

--johnny
--
'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"The road goes on forever, and the party never ends" --Robert Earl Keen
 
Hey Johnny. At 36F-40F at night my furnace runs more during the hour than not. But it's not lack of efficiency. The Palm Beach just does not hold
heat (or cold in the summer). No insulation of any import. You must have "stuff" that allows yours to hold heat better. One day I'll address that.
Thanks for the insights. Be well. david
--
David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
 
Two things will influence the burner in the furnace. One is the thermostat,
and the other is a thermo switch whose purpose is to prevent overheating of
the burner and heat exchanger. It will rapid cycle like you describe. IF
ONLY 3 DUCTS ARE USED IN YOUR INSTALLATION, there is a good chance that is
what is happening. The fix is to use the 4th knockout in the furnace and
run another duct to a colder spot in your coach. My new furnace did what I
just described until I added a 4th duct. Now even when it is 25° outside,
the furnace cycles with the thermostat like it should. The manual that came
with the new furnace describes this.
Jim Hupy

> Hey Johnny. At 36F-40F at night my furnace runs more during the hour than
> not. But it's not lack of efficiency. The Palm Beach just does not hold
> heat (or cold in the summer). No insulation of any import. You must have
> "stuff" that allows yours to hold heat better. One day I'll address that.
> Thanks for the insights. Be well. david
> --
> David J. Forjan, 1977 403 26' Palm Beach, glad to have the 3.70 Final
> Drive and pork chop for level front end, Tularosa New Mexico
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