Another Canadian new owner of a GMC Motorhome

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So Spring is starting to come around to Ontario and I can soon get working on the new addition to the family.

First thing, it has one newish airbag and one that looks original and scary. What to do?
Get a whole new Sully system or similar?
Try to find another OE airbag?

Second thing, it needs CV boot covers replaced and has one broken front wheel stud.

Third, brakes need to be bled and adjusted, they were a little scary getting it home.

I think the rear roof seam needs to be resealed, but that should also wait for warmer weather.

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Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
Blur,
OEM bags are available out there in the wild but your going to pay about 350 to 400US a piece for them new when you find some. Used are cheaper but
they are still old.

I was in the same position as you and managed to find a good spare and some basically new take off OEM bags as i just couldnt afford a quad bag setup
(the US to CDN exchanges just kills it).....if i didnt luck out my plan was to go Sully or similar as it was the best compromise between parts/cost.

The broken wheel stud is going to be a pain to replace unless its in the rear....i havent looked closely enough to see if one can sneak it in/out
without disturbing the front hub/bearing.

Stupid question perhaps but has that coach been safetied yet?

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Rich Mondor,

Brockville, ON

77 Hughes 2600
 
> Blur,
> OEM bags are available out there in the wild but your going to pay about 350 to 400US a piece for them new when you find some. Used are cheaper
> but they are still old.
>
> I was in the same position as you and managed to find a good spare and some basically new take off OEM bags as i just couldnt afford a quad bag
> setup (the US to CDN exchanges just kills it).....if i didnt luck out my plan was to go Sully or similar as it was the best compromise between
> parts/cost.
>
> The broken wheel stud is going to be a pain to replace unless its in the rear....i havent looked closely enough to see if one can sneak it in/out
> without disturbing the front hub/bearing.
>
> Stupid question perhaps but has that coach been safetied yet?

Hi Rich
No, not safetied yet, I'm getting the obvious fixed first. Any leads on a new bag?
Broken stud is driver's front. Probably partway there labour-wise if I'm replacing the CV boots.

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Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
You are not even close. The rotor/hub/knuckle assembly needs to come off
the coach, and the wheel bearings need to be removed with the appropriate
special tools to prevent damage to the bearings. Then, the rotor can be
removed from the hub, the lug stud replaced. Look very carefully at the
remaining studs. If they are stretched (by the same person who broke the
one, more than likely) then the last thing you want is to put this complex
back together and have another stud fail. That kind of thing often makes
grown men weep and curse. Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but that's
the way stuff goes.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 9:43 AM Burl Vibert via Gmclist <

> > Blur,
> > OEM bags are available out there in the wild but your going to pay about
> 350 to 400US a piece for them new when you find some. Used are cheaper
> > but they are still old.
> >
> > I was in the same position as you and managed to find a good spare and
> some basically new take off OEM bags as i just couldnt afford a quad bag
> > setup (the US to CDN exchanges just kills it).....if i didnt luck out my
> plan was to go Sully or similar as it was the best compromise between
> > parts/cost.
> >
> > The broken wheel stud is going to be a pain to replace unless its in the
> rear....i havent looked closely enough to see if one can sneak it in/out
> > without disturbing the front hub/bearing.
> >
> > Stupid question perhaps but has that coach been safetied yet?
>
> Hi Rich
> No, not safetied yet, I'm getting the obvious fixed first. Any leads on
> a new bag?
> Broken stud is driver's front. Probably partway there labour-wise if I'm
> replacing the CV boots.
>
>
> --
> Burl Vibert
> Kingston, Ontario
> 1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
>
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> So Spring is starting to come around to Ontario and I can soon get working on the new addition to the family.
> First thing, it has one newish airbag and one that looks original and scary. What to do?
> Get a whole new Sully system or similar?
> Try to find another OE airbag?
> Second thing, it needs CV boot covers replaced and has one broken front wheel stud.
> Third, brakes need to be bled and adjusted, they were a little scary getting it home.
> I think the rear roof seam needs to be resealed, but that should also wait for warmer weather.

Burl,

First - Put the call out here for a back-up airspring (air bag). As many have changed, there are more than a few lying around. Then as time suits
you investigate the replacemen systems available. As said, knock-off of the OE are available from Cinnabar. Most of the replacements loose some
travel.

Save the boot job until you have the knuckle off the repair the busted stud. Hope it is the same side as getting the drive axle out is an interesting
task. Order the new screws now.

While the brakes may well need the fluid flushed as it absorbs water with age and bad reservoir seals in the top (cheap part available a lots of car
parts stores). There are lots of good choices of brake fluid. Do a little research. Your choices are 3, 4 (3&4 which is a synthetic), and 5.1$$.
DOT 5 is not compatible and when I have tried to change to it without a complete system rebuild, it caused problems for me.

Lastly, if you are not going to repack the rear bearings, you may not need to work at adjusting the brakes. They are self adjusting if you stop the
coach in reverse. I make a point to do this from time to time. First you stow and secure everything that is loose. Then you get rolling backwards
and nail the brakes. If there is still room, do it again. Repeat as needed until you don't feel gain in the pedal..... (I find I need to do this
two or three times a year to keep the brakes tight.

At one time it was all the rage to take the automatic adjusters out. This was silly and counter productive. All the parts to repair if this was done
are still available as is everything else the 11x2 Bendix brakes. That brake was used everywhere by everybody from shortly after the production of
the Model A Ford ended until light trucks became 4 wheel disk brake.

Best of Luck,

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
> You are not even close. The rotor/hub/knuckle assembly needs to come off
> the coach, and the wheel bearings need to be removed with the appropriate
> special tools to prevent damage to the bearings. Then, the rotor can be
> removed from the hub, the lug stud replaced. Look very carefully at the
> remaining studs. If they are stretched (by the same person who broke the
> one, more than likely) then the last thing you want is to put this complex
> back together and have another stud fail. That kind of thing often makes
> grown men weep and curse. Sorry to be the bearer of sad tidings, but that's
> the way stuff goes.

I think I saw a set of new wheel studs in with my spares that came along, at least I don't have to buy them. I'll look into the special tools, I
think I read something about them. Anyone local-ish to me have them?
I'll also do some reading about the procedures. I assume this is all doable without a hoist by just putting the front end on jackstands.

Forgot to mention about the brakes, there is a new master cylinder, new steel lines, slave cylinders as well as new looking rear drums, not sure what
else so I'm hoping it's not a big issue.

--
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
The coach information sticker was removed when the inside of the glove box door was painted. It used to be left of the latch. Dave Lenzi rebuilds
front hubs, he's in Davison MI (Detroit area). If you don't want to get into removal/replacement of the front bearings, take or ship him the entire
hub assembly. It will come back in better than new condition. As to front axle removal, it isn't hard but it is exacting to get the ends out of the
hubs. With the control arms at just the correct height and the wheels turned just right, and the inner flange tucked up just right, the stub clears
by maybe a quarter inch - but it clears. I fought my left front for a day and then coerced George Zhookoff to come help. I offered him a pair of
gloves and he said he wouldn't need them, got in the coach and turned the steering wheel and 'now try it'. Fit right in. The right front is way
easier, there's more room. Before you start on the front or the lower engine and stuff do yourself a favor. Remove the inner wheel liners and set
them aside for greatly improved access. If you don't already have a Fox and Hound, buy one. It saves a lot of grubbing behind panels and under the
dash. mine was under $20 on eBay.

Shelties? Lovely little guys. We're down to one Kuvasz (bred them in the past) and one Border Collie. Two is about the limit in a GMC unless
they're lapdogs. I showed Kuvasz out of my 23' for some years. Rear bath Norris with a tub big enough to bathe them.

Welcome to the group, and when you do the Southeast, stop off.

--johnny

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5815-chick-magnet.html

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6198-cane-9-creek-rv-park-heflin-2c-al.html (Last 3 pics)
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Burl. this is Dave King in Toronto. I have what I believe are the unique pieces of the GMCMH front wheel bearing puller.
If you decide to send your hubs to Dave Lenzi to have him do the bearing you won't need to "borrow" the tool from me and you can
have him do the wheel studs while it is apart. As many have suggested on here adding "zerks" to grease the bearing seems like a
GREAT move as every time you take the bearing apart it reduces the interference fit. The knuckles worked fine on the cars they
were designed for but are really at their limit on the motorhome. Post on here if you want to borrow the puller but I would
suggest you talk to DAVE LENZI. Enjoy your new to you coach.

DAVE KING
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DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
> The coach information sticker was removed when the inside of the glove box door was painted. It used to be left of the latch. Dave Lenzi
> rebuilds front hubs, he's in Davison MI (Detroit area). If you don't want to get into removal/replacement of the front bearings, take or ship him
> the entire hub assembly. It will come back in better than new condition. As to front axle removal, it isn't hard but it is exacting to get the
> ends out of the hubs. With the control arms at just the correct height and the wheels turned just right, and the inner flange tucked up just right,
> the stub clears by maybe a quarter inch - but it clears. I fought my left front for a day and then coerced George Zhookoff to come help. I offered
> him a pair of gloves and he said he wouldn't need them, got in the coach and turned the steering wheel and 'now try it'. Fit right in. The right
> front is way easier, there's more room. Before you start on the front or the lower engine and stuff do yourself a favor. Remove the inner wheel
> liners and set them aside for greatly improved access. If you don't already have a Fox and Hound, buy one. It saves a lot of grubbing behind
> panels and under the dash. mine was under $20 on eBay.
>
> Shelties? Lovely little guys. We're down to one Kuvasz (bred them in the past) and one Border Collie. Two is about the limit in a GMC unless
> they're lapdogs. I showed Kuvasz out of my 23' for some years. Rear bath Norris with a tub big enough to bathe them.
>
> Welcome to the group, and when you do the Southeast, stop off.
>
> --johnny

Hi Johnny
Thanks for the advice, although I have no idea what a "Fox and Hound" is in your reference. I have to replace both CV boots, but at least I think
that's all I have to do to the right front.

I've had shelties for many years, my Ex used to show them and we've had a few champions and all were fantastic dogs. Kuvasz and Border Collies are
great dogs too. Gotta love them puppers. In fact, the first one to get a ride in the motorhome was my pup's brother. I picked him up to dogsit while
I was on the way home from buying the rig. He loved it.
--
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
> Burl. this is Dave King in Toronto. I have what I believe are the unique pieces of the GMCMH front wheel bearing puller.
> If you decide to send your hubs to Dave Lenzi to have him do the bearing you won't need to "borrow" the tool from me and you can
> have him do the wheel studs while it is apart. As many have suggested on here adding "zerks" to grease the bearing seems like a
> GREAT move as every time you take the bearing apart it reduces the interference fit. The knuckles worked fine on the cars they
> were designed for but are really at their limit on the motorhome. Post on here if you want to borrow the puller but I would
> suggest you talk to DAVE LENZI. Enjoy your new to you coach.
>
> DAVE KING

Thanks Dave. I think I'll take a few things apart and assess what needs to be rebuilt, maybe talk to Dave Lenzi.
I have no problem buying or making "special tools", I really don't like to borrow, but sometimes cost to purchase is crazy. I see there are two types
of bearing tools, the Warner one at $430USD and the "complete" one for $720USD. I assume the more expensive one works a bit better? Which do you
have?

Would you be interested in selling me your tool? (with of course, the right to borrow it back)

--
Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
Many of us GMCERS are dog lovers. We have a Pappion that travels with us.
She loves her GMC friends and their coaches as well. At rallies, she makes
the rounds to meet and greet them all. Those few among us who don't like
dogs, just tell her to stay out, and she doesn't go near them again. Dogs
are excellent judges of character, if you dog does not like someone, there
is nearly always a good reason why. She travels very well, for weeks at a
time. Big dogs, are a special set of circumstances in a coach.
I was at a rally with some newbies who had a coach with problems that
needed my assistance. Owners told me they had dog(s) in the coach, but to
just ignore them. When I entered the coach, there were 19 dachshunds that
rushed the door. That MAY HAVE BEEN a scosche too many dogs for my taste (
and smell, too.) Couldn't get out of there soon enough. But it still goes
up in the old memory file.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Mar 1, 2021, 8:06 AM Burl Vibert via Gmclist <

> > The coach information sticker was removed when the inside of the glove
> box door was painted. It used to be left of the latch. Dave Lenzi
> > rebuilds front hubs, he's in Davison MI (Detroit area). If you don't
> want to get into removal/replacement of the front bearings, take or ship him
> > the entire hub assembly. It will come back in better than new
> condition. As to front axle removal, it isn't hard but it is exacting to
> get the
> > ends out of the hubs. With the control arms at just the correct height
> and the wheels turned just right, and the inner flange tucked up just right,
> > the stub clears by maybe a quarter inch - but it clears. I fought my
> left front for a day and then coerced George Zhookoff to come help. I
> offered
> > him a pair of gloves and he said he wouldn't need them, got in the coach
> and turned the steering wheel and 'now try it'. Fit right in. The right
> > front is way easier, there's more room. Before you start on the front
> or the lower engine and stuff do yourself a favor. Remove the inner wheel
> > liners and set them aside for greatly improved access. If you don't
> already have a Fox and Hound, buy one. It saves a lot of grubbing behind
> > panels and under the dash. mine was under $20 on eBay.
> >
> > Shelties? Lovely little guys. We're down to one Kuvasz (bred them in
> the past) and one Border Collie. Two is about the limit in a GMC unless
> > they're lapdogs. I showed Kuvasz out of my 23' for some years. Rear
> bath Norris with a tub big enough to bathe them.
> >
> > Welcome to the group, and when you do the Southeast, stop off.
> >
> > --johnny
>
> Hi Johnny
> Thanks for the advice, although I have no idea what a "Fox and Hound" is
> in your reference. I have to replace both CV boots, but at least I think
> that's all I have to do to the right front.
>
> I've had shelties for many years, my Ex used to show them and we've had a
> few champions and all were fantastic dogs. Kuvasz and Border Collies are
> great dogs too. Gotta love them puppers. In fact, the first one to get a
> ride in the motorhome was my pup's brother. I picked him up to dogsit while
> I was on the way home from buying the rig. He loved it.
> --
> Burl Vibert
> Kingston, Ontario
> 1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
>
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Burl,

Located about 60 kms east of you is a GMC owner who has a bearing puller based on Tom Warner's system and a front knuckle guide for drilling to fit
grease fittings, if you want to borrow them after talking to Dave Lenzi let me know.

Also we have a GMC club as others have mentioned with members mainly in southern Ontario and northern New York that you should consider joining.

--
Al Hamilton,
76 Eleganza II,
Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
 
> Burl,
>
> Located about 60 kms east of you is a GMC owner who has a bearing puller based on Tom Warner's system and a front knuckle guide for drilling to
> fit grease fittings, if you want to borrow them after talking to Dave Lenzi let me know.
>
> Also we have a GMC club as others have mentioned with members mainly in southern Ontario and northern New York that you should consider joining.

Hi Al
That's fantastic news. I'm looking into joining the Heritage Cruisers. I've been a longtime member (and occasional executive member) of the local
CASC club (Canadian equivalent of SCCA), I know the value of belonging to some clubs.

I'll send you an email off the forum.

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Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
Burl, I think the difference in price is as I got it the Tom Warner tool needs some OTC (tool company)
additional parts to function. Sounds like there may be a tool closer to you.

Funny about CASC. I'm the Regional Chief Scrutineer for CASC.
One of my Scrutineers lives in Kingston. He races a red MGB in Vintage.
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DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
> Burl, I think the difference in price is as I got it the Tom Warner tool needs some OTC (tool company)
> additional parts to function. Sounds like there may be a tool closer to you.
>
> Funny about CASC. I'm the Regional Chief Scrutineer for CASC.
> One of my Scrutineers lives in Kingston. He races a red MGB in Vintage.

Mr. Kinnear is a long-time friend.
I thought your name sounded familiarish.

https://postimg.cc/3yfDfmvz
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Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
Burl, yes John Kinnear is the person. Nice picture of his car.
--
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
 
Fox and Hound, also called a Hare and Hound. Noise injector and a hand held amplifier. Used to trace unaccessable wires like many in your coach.
Hook the fox to the wire in question and it injects a squeal. Take the hound, turn itup, and start getting close to candidate wires at the other end.
When you find the right one you hear the tone. Actually you hear it when you get close, touch the right one and the loudness of the tone increases
substantially. Here's a cheap one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-RJ11-Line-Finder-Cable-Wire-Tone-Generator-Probe-Tracer-Tracker-Tester/402144108553?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item5da1a82009:g:NHkAAOSwxMVfH7XL&amdata=enc%3AAQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%252Fn%252BzU5L90Z278x5ickkTboA95HSvGa1O5UmCCGJLjsGdVH5NsQSoLK%252Bd%252BcPNzQ7MsXoh7MMa6oO4cM2Teq1kxPtonLhgJ4fzeA%252F8vHJQ0n1nDwuY5lEty9YHOswf%252BNbFOVqiJBElBiLe3JKRhw53gpv23Dtd2SVmK47YMD7rbKadrqZ7uuiyMl6lNxhihuhXCKrye3BxgHTH4mXwAz6fE7qdrEtqTJHPDW0NGKdi%252F9rm3OzqDASBOXl41JusI0L83UBBR5iuAFovIFcKfjlbt47sb5dosTB5GuxkuzxBvx6XUcvIgEeQavobiCUHTycWCx3rUMdXxLpFyhNexUHnLaBM9b%252BjJfrvaRgTFqsx3FZ%252BFoDt88KOVhOgGSubMi0tB%252FFBIJq3FxYz0Ozy9eEGYh7TJ46dkmPkVveVTrP%252FmrsRHCZIucn7RJJEwVK%252BhR2rTpPWskX19Ya%252B3n%252BMSvSAyxsKHjh8JmUhlWtBQI3sD6O0aRAAjeM2Sc%252F898AJQv9kCcD6JYVfA62zv0OpVv7LY65LukBgx412vRmssc7XzEyfUqUT5LnFU32uB0x03AZn3n7Ap%252F8EFy%252F6pWh0OJigHnymzGnfDmvMaoWqUEeZZG5VE%252FVWB5DQhXwYBLP5tnmiAmR8rtpx%252BAkg2hr1juV%252BoOr5Q39T7fL1XpLvXZQCc3NXE2vlCg9EXqyXU
ctWDSCa3vhtOva4nM4XLUTuqz19zuNNqw951mjy%252FvgE2Nuon%252FSnCdtV1%252FUA5QMSw8ZH6undufOp8PX3CUY%252FpX%252BOxvWHyw0q6n7FiwHme1IQ0zi%252Fg%253D%253D%7Ccksum%3A40214410855368bc0314c44d48b8aa2f9eb7ed64e2fb%7Campid%3APL_CLK%7Cclp%3A2334524

If that url strikes you as a bit long, just search eBay for 'wire tracer'.

--johnny

--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
> Fox and Hound, also called a Hare and Hound. Noise injector and a hand held amplifier. Used to trace unaccessable wires like many in your coach.
>
>
>
>
> If that url strikes you as a bit long, just search eBay for 'wire tracer'.
>
> --johnny

Oh, ok. I have one, just never heard it called that. Must be a US/Canadian thing.
Tell me, do you use "wire-nuts" or "Marrettes"?
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Burl Vibert
Kingston, Ontario
1976 GMC 26 foot, don't know the model
 
> Oh, ok. I have one, just never heard it called that. Must be a US/Canadian thing.
> Tell me, do you use "wire-nuts" or "Marrettes"?

Burl,

Marrettes is a trade name that never got any penetration into the US market. The only reason I know about it is because where I lived in Maine for a
time, half of our hardware came over from New Brunswick.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
> > > Oh, ok. I have one, just never heard it called that. Must be a US/Canadian thing.
> > > Tell me, do you use "wire-nuts" or "Marrettes"?
> >
> > Burl,
> >
> > Marrettes is a trade name that never got any penetration into the US market. The only reason I know about it is because where I lived in
> > Maine for a time, half of our hardware came over from New Brunswick.
> >
> > Matt
>
> That's what I mean. The first time an American engineer asked me for a wire-nut, he couldn't believe I'd never heard of them.
> Of course, he had never heard of Marrettes, which is what everyone calls them here.
> I think Fox & Hound are trademark names owned by Triplett, which makes electrical test equipment. I guess same idea as a hi-pot insulation tester
> being called a "Megger".

Burl,

This is not just a border issue. One can change localities in the US and then not be understood at all. While between jobs here in Michigan, I
worked in refrigeration for a short time. I was a continual source of amusement that the local refrigeration parts house. Then, not just because of
location, but also age. As this was work I had done in college, some of the things I went looking for were either out of date terms or now totally
illegal.

One of my favorites between north and south was the southern use of "Cut off the light". I kept thinking I should get a saw.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit