And now for a little side ways

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What ever happened to Mike S's transverse mounted 383 project? Any progress?
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Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
 
Makes ya wonder if they'll do 455!

D C "Mac" Macdonald​
Amateur Radio K2GKK​
Since 30 November '53​
USAF and FAA, Retired​
Member GMCMI & Classics​
Oklahoma City, OK​
"The Money Pit"​
TZE166V101966

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Says $5k for a brand new bare block
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Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
1976 Eleganza II
 
$5,000

American Money!

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

>
> Makes ya wonder if they'll do 455!
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald​
> Amateur Radio K2GKK​
> Since 30 November '53​
> USAF and FAA, Retired​
> Member GMCMI & Classics​
> Oklahoma City, OK​
> "The Money Pit"​
> TZE166V101966
>
> ________________________________
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> Says $5k for a brand new bare block
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> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
> 1976 Eleganza II
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He is more active on Facebook than here. He often participates in engine transplant discussions there. IIRC, he stated that he hasn’t pursued the 383 project or any LS swap efforts due to lack of any serious interest from others.

Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'

>
> $5,000
>
> American Money!
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
>

>>
>> Makes ya wonder if they'll do 455!
>>
>> D C "Mac" Macdonald​
>> Amateur Radio K2GKK​
>> Since 30 November '53​
>> USAF and FAA, Retired​
>> Member GMCMI & Classics​
>> Oklahoma City, OK​
>> "The Money Pit"​
>> TZE166V101966
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Gmclist on behalf of Todd Snyder via Gmclist
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 16:35
>> To: gmclist
>> Cc: Todd Snyder
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] And now for a little side ways
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>> Says $5k for a brand new bare block
>> --
>> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
>> 1976 Eleganza II
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It’s great that there are new replacement parts available.

I have an Eagle brand crankshaft in my 455 which is .030 over.

It was not outrageously expensive, and let me use 0.0 spec bearings (and I don’t know if that’s local lingo, or the right way to say it).

I’m still trying to figure out if the first shortage we face will be engine parts or transmissions.

Right now, transmissions seems to be the Achilles heel.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"

>
> He is more active on Facebook than here. He often participates in engine transplant discussions there. IIRC, he stated that he hasn’t pursued the 383 project or any LS swap efforts due to lack of any serious interest from others.
>
> Les Burt
> Montreal
> '75 Eleganza 26'
>
>

>>
>> $5,000
>>
>> American Money!
>>
>> Dolph Santorine
>>
>> DE AD0LF
>>
>> Wheeling, West Virginia
>>
>> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
>> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>>
>>

>>>
>>> Makes ya wonder if they'll do 455!
>>>
>>> D C "Mac" Macdonald​
>>> Amateur Radio K2GKK​
>>> Since 30 November '53​
>>> USAF and FAA, Retired​
>>> Member GMCMI & Classics​
>>> Oklahoma City, OK​
>>> "The Money Pit"​
>>> TZE166V101966
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Gmclist on behalf of Todd Snyder via Gmclist
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 16:35
>>> To: gmclist
>>> Cc: Todd Snyder
>>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] And now for a little side ways
>>>
>>> Says $5k for a brand new bare block
>>> --
>>> Todd Snyder, Buffalo NY
>>> 1976 Eleganza II
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The transmissions will become a problem long before the 455 engines. There's lots of the engines out there to rebuild or reman, depending how you
phrase it. Transmission 'hard parts' are already scarce - mind, the 425 turns 'backwards'. Chains are limited to NOS and whatever Manny has left,
less than 20 as I understand it.
As I understand it, Mike's research shows that the 4T80E GM transaxle has the poon to withstand service in our coaches. Since it's transverse,
another engine which will hook up to it is necessary, he believes the 383 Chev truck motor is the answer.
There's lots of these transmissions out there, and parts are still available - and will be for years. The question becomes, what is needed to get the
package stuffed into a GMC. Given cubic money, not a problem. Given normal budget constraints, what's it gonna cost to develop?

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
Matterofact, for those of us who were at the recent Dixielanders/Crabs rally, don't you think RCR could do this conversion fairly quickly? Wonder
what they'd charge.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
They likely wouldn’t look at it.

It’s not what they do, and they are obviously focused on the go fast mission.

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

>
> Matterofact, for those of us who were at the recent Dixielanders/Crabs rally, don't you think RCR could do this conversion fairly quickly? Wonder
> what they'd charge.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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Just took a look at the 4T80 and it seems to use a chain drive as well. Wonder if it would be suitable to adapt it to the TH425? Looks like it is a 1
inch chain, which is a little smaller than the one used on the 425, yes? Saw some high hp 4t80 applications where they even ran a double 4T80 chain
though, which may be an option...

If not, has anyone looked into reproducing the 425 chain?
--
Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
Manny 1 Ton Front End,
Howell Injection,
Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
Fort Worth, TX
 
Drive chain is not the "missing link" in critical parts shortages for the
TM425. Gaskets, and very precision planetary gearsets that only fit that
application are.
Not just anyone possesses intimate knowledge of the transmission. Even
replacing/exchanging them is no walk in the park. I have R&R'd several of
them, and there are pitfalls along the way. I now leave it to younger
technicians with the experience and hoists and tools, (you really need all
three) to do the job.
If you are like Hal St.Clair, and are a great fabricator, you could
install a duramax or other diesel engine and adapt a heavy duty 4 x 4
automatic and custom drive shafts. As long as the two biggest factors are
present, time and money, almost anything is possible.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 6:32 AM Mark Sawyer via Gmclist <

> Just took a look at the 4T80 and it seems to use a chain drive as well.
> Wonder if it would be suitable to adapt it to the TH425? Looks like it is
> a 1
> inch chain, which is a little smaller than the one used on the 425, yes?
> Saw some high hp 4t80 applications where they even ran a double 4T80 chain
> though, which may be an option...
>
> If not, has anyone looked into reproducing the 425 chain?
> --
> Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
> Manny 1 Ton Front End,
> Howell Injection,
> Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
> Fort Worth, TX
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Well, I've done four R&R so far, one over a pit with a hoist and three on a pad. You only need to raise the coach about 20 inches and crib it and the
transmission lowers with Ken Henderson's fitting easily. It isn't quick - DIY project - but eminently do-able. Two people can do it in less than
half the time it takes one. George Z and I learned on one of mine.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
> Drive chain is not the "missing link" in critical parts shortages for the TM425. Gaskets, and very precision planetary gearsets that only fit that
> application are.
>

When you need a gasket that you can't get, let me know. It is almost a given that a suitable material can be found, then all you need is a friendly
rule die shop to make the tool.

Gears, that is a whole other story....

Matt
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Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Manny (mostly) and I did a TH425 R&R in 45 minutes in a parking lot.

Ken H.

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:52 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> Well, I've done four R&R so far, one over a pit with a hoist and three on
> a pad. You only need to raise the coach about 20 inches and crib it and the
> transmission lowers with Ken Henderson's fitting easily. It isn't quick -
> DIY project - but eminently do-able. Two people can do it in less than
> half the time it takes one. George Z and I learned on one of mine.
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
>
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But, Manny is unique among men. Similar to Mickey Mantle, or Babe Ruth.
There are not many among us like him.
Jim Hupy

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 10:15 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <

> Manny (mostly) and I did a TH425 R&R in 45 minutes in a parking lot.
>
> Ken H.
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:52 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
> > Well, I've done four R&R so far, one over a pit with a hoist and three on
> > a pad. You only need to raise the coach about 20 inches and crib it and
> the
> > transmission lowers with Ken Henderson's fitting easily. It isn't quick
> -
> > DIY project - but eminently do-able. Two people can do it in less than
> > half the time it takes one. George Z and I learned on one of mine.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> > in hell
> >
> >
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If there was a t425 rnr world championship competition he would be the
favorite.

Sully
Bellevue wa

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:45 AM James Hupy via Gmclist <

> But, Manny is unique among men. Similar to Mickey Mantle, or Babe Ruth.
> There are not many among us like him.
> Jim Hupy
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019, 10:15 AM Ken Henderson via Gmclist <

>
> > Manny (mostly) and I did a TH425 R&R in 45 minutes in a parking lot.
> >
> > Ken H.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 10:52 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> >
> > > Well, I've done four R&R so far, one over a pit with a hoist and three
> on
> > > a pad. You only need to raise the coach about 20 inches and crib it
> and
> > the
> > > transmission lowers with Ken Henderson's fitting easily. It isn't
> quick
> > -
> > > DIY project - but eminently do-able. Two people can do it in less than
> > > half the time it takes one. George Z and I learned on one of mine.
> > >
> > > --johnny
> > > --
> > > Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > > Braselton, Ga.
> > > I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
> me
> > > in hell
> > >
> > >
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Are you sure 4t65E-HD would be able to survive in our coaches for too long? It is rated for vehicles with GVW up to 6,400 lbs. and a maximum trailer
towing capacity of 2,000 lbs. Even if you are being generous and "assume" that trailer towing capacity is in addition to the vehicle GVW, the
combined rated weight (CGVW) will be only 8,400 lbs. Last time I checked, 23-footers are 10,500-11,500 lbs and 26-footers are somewhere around
11,000-12,500 lbs. This exceeds transmission rating by 25 and nearly 50% (23 and 26 ft respectively).
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
 
The idea was/is the 4T80E, somewhat more robust than the 64, although still gonna be on the ragged edge. For that matter, so is the THM425 in a
coach, but they seem to survive.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
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