Aluminum intake manifold-opinions..

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Hello,
I might be close to removing the stock intake manifold on my 455, and was wondering the advantages of replacing it with a aluminum intake.

The #1 best thing that I can see would be not ever needing the heat block-off plates, #2 would be a new product without any cracks(hopefully), and #3
would be the weight.

Any other pro's of con's?
I have searched prior post and can only find info for the 403's

Thank you,
Scott.

--
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
Houston, Texas
 
Scott,
If you use an Edlebrock Performer manifold for the 455 you will have to raise the engine cover about 2+ inches. If you use the aluminum manifold that was made for the coach patterened after the factory intake with upgrades it will fit without modes

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/568

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-2151/overview/make/oldsmobile
Not sure if the summit item is the correct, but only one listed for the 455.

JR Wright
Michigan
Buskirk Stretch

>
> Hello,
> I might be close to removing the stock intake manifold on my 455, and was wondering the advantages of replacing it with a aluminum intake.
>
> The #1 best thing that I can see would be not ever needing the heat block-off plates, #2 would be a new product without any cracks(hopefully), and #3
> would be the weight.
>
> Any other pro's of con's?
> I have searched prior post and can only find info for the 403's
>
> Thank you,
> Scott.
>
>
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
> Houston, Texas
>
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If you consider using the Edelbrock manifold, be sure to review this first:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3057-cylinder-head-damage-from-exhaust-crossover-plugs.html

Ken H.

> Hello,
> I might be close to removing the stock intake manifold on my 455, and was
> wondering the advantages of replacing it with a aluminum intake.
>
> The #1 best thing that I can see would be not ever needing the heat
> block-off plates, #2 would be a new product without any cracks(hopefully),
> and #3
> would be the weight.
>
> Any other pro's of con's?
> I have searched prior post and can only find info for the 403's
>
> Thank you,
> Scott.
>
 
Our Aluminum intake is a improved unit, Low Profile like the original and
is custom machine to overcome the previous matching of ports and Air
conditioning compressor bracket mount hole location and size. Like the
Edelbrock, the exhaust passage is blocked standard.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Ken Henderson
wrote:

> If you consider using the Edelbrock manifold, be sure to review this first:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3057-cylinder-head-
> damage-from-exhaust-crossover-plugs.html
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Scott Nutter

>
> > Hello,
> > I might be close to removing the stock intake manifold on my 455, and was
> > wondering the advantages of replacing it with a aluminum intake.
> >
> > The #1 best thing that I can see would be not ever needing the heat
> > block-off plates, #2 would be a new product without any
> cracks(hopefully),
> > and #3
> > would be the weight.
> >
> > Any other pro's of con's?
> > I have searched prior post and can only find info for the 403's
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Scott.
> >
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Jim K.:
I love the way you jump in and give GMC'ers helpful info. Some people would say it is good salesmanship, but I just appreciate that you try to help us at every opportunity!!!
Thanks again,
Mike/The Corvair a holic

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>
> Our Aluminum intake is a improved unit, Low Profile like the original and
> is custom machine to overcome the previous matching of ports and Air
> conditioning compressor bracket mount hole location and size. Like the
> Edelbrock, the exhaust passage is blocked standard.
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Ken Henderson

>
>> If you consider using the Edelbrock manifold, be sure to review this first:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3057-cylinder-head-
>> damage-from-exhaust-crossover-plugs.html
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Scott Nutter

>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I might be close to removing the stock intake manifold on my 455, and was
>>> wondering the advantages of replacing it with a aluminum intake.
>>>
>>> The #1 best thing that I can see would be not ever needing the heat
>>> block-off plates, #2 would be a new product without any
>> cracks(hopefully),
>>> and #3
>>> would be the weight.
>>>
>>> Any other pro's of con's?
>>> I have searched prior post and can only find info for the 403's
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Scott.
>>>
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>
>
>
> --
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Ken,
Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that the best reason to change out the manifolds.
Scott.
--
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
Houston, Texas
 
Mike you get the sam,e help whether you buy or not.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Scott,

I still use blockoff plates with my aluminum manifold. The exhaust in our
application can be hot enough to erode aluminum, and the stainless plate
prevents it.

Rick "only 1220-degree melting point" Denney

> Ken,
> Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
> Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that
> the best reason to change out the manifolds.
> Scott.
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final
> drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
> Houston, Texas
>
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> Ken,
> Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
> Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that the best reason to change out the manifolds.
> Scott.

The problem Colonel Ken is talking about was due to crossover plugs, NOT Crossover plates.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Scott,

No, the damage shown in my album had nothing to do with crossover plates --
those had not yet been invented. Edelbrock then, and now, insisted on the
use of cast iron plugs, which they supplied in the crossover ports. THOSE
PLUGS are what almost wore through into the water jacket in my cylinder
heads, and DID wear into one of the head bolts.

Ken H.

> Ken,
> Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
> Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that
> the best reason to change out the manifolds.
> Scott.
> --
> Scott Nutter
> 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final
> drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
> Houston, Texas
>
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Mike,
I saw in the discussion that they were ignoring the more functional product.
People that take it as 100% salesmanship can keep on thinking.
I spend considerable time to assist people n/c.
Mike I appreciate your sincere evaluation of my comments.
Our Air Filter division is where we do very strong contribution to our
existence.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Ken Henderson
wrote:

> Scott,
>
> No, the damage shown in my album had nothing to do with crossover plates --
> those had not yet been invented. Edelbrock then, and now, insisted on the
> use of cast iron plugs, which they supplied in the crossover ports. THOSE
> PLUGS are what almost wore through into the water jacket in my cylinder
> heads, and DID wear into one of the head bolts.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Scott Nutter

>
> > Ken,
> > Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
> > Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that
> > the best reason to change out the manifolds.
> > Scott.
> > --
> > Scott Nutter
> > 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21
> final
> > drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
> > Houston, Texas
> >
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jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Richard,
You're correct in using a SS plate even if the Al intake has solid block.
In my younger days, on some of our company trucks, I have seen erosion in
the exhaust surface after 80,000 miles.
The fact that the 455 does have a rather large passage from the head can
contribute to concern.

> Mike,
> I saw in the discussion that they were ignoring the more functional
> product.
> People that take it as 100% salesmanship can keep on thinking.
> I spend considerable time to assist people n/c.
> Mike I appreciate your sincere evaluation of my comments.
> Our Air Filter division is where we do very strong contribution to our
> existence.
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Ken Henderson

>
>> Scott,
>>
>> No, the damage shown in my album had nothing to do with crossover plates
>> --
>> those had not yet been invented. Edelbrock then, and now, insisted on the
>> use of cast iron plugs, which they supplied in the crossover ports. THOSE
>> PLUGS are what almost wore through into the water jacket in my cylinder
>> heads, and DID wear into one of the head bolts.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Scott Nutter

>>
>> > Ken,
>> > Was there damage because of the crossover plates?
>> > Jim K's aluminum manifold doesn't have crossover ports. I consider that
>> > the best reason to change out the manifolds.
>> > Scott.
>> > --
>> > Scott Nutter
>> > 1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21
>> final
>> > drive, Quad bags, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi.
>> > Houston, Texas
>> >
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>
>
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Mark Wall used an amazing process to create that manifold. Charles Wersal
sent him a manifold he didn't need any longer to sacrifice for the greater
good. Thankfully he documented it faithfully.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3738-gmc-intake-manifold-project.html

bdub

On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> Mike you get the sam,e help whether you buy or not.
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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We replaced our OEM iron manifold with an aluminum only because the OEM one was starting to crack. We went with the Offenhauser (ported and sold by
Mondello) which is slightly raised from the OEM so like some mentioned like the Edelbrock, we had to modify the hatch and raise it 0.75 inches and get
a lower profile air cleaner housing. We also installed Paterson's block-off kit as well. After all of that, I have not seen any huge or noticeable
benefit other than possibly some better acceleration but I have no scientific way to benchmark it. I was hoping for some help with cooling, and vapor
lock, which it didn't seem to help with. FWIW.
--
Chris S. -
77 Kingsley, 3.70 FD, mostly OEM -
S.E. Michigan
 
Any high rise manifold will aid in giving slightly better acceleration .
Most are designed for higher rpm gains

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>
> We replaced our OEM iron manifold with an aluminum only because the OEM one was starting to crack. We went with the Offenhauser (ported and sold by
> Mondello) which is slightly raised from the OEM so like some mentioned like the Edelbrock, we had to modify the hatch and raise it 0.75 inches and get
> a lower profile air cleaner housing. We also installed Paterson's block-off kit as well. After all of that, I have not seen any huge or noticeable
> benefit other than possibly some better acceleration but I have no scientific way to benchmark it. I was hoping for some help with cooling, and vapor
> lock, which it didn't seem to help with. FWIW.
> --
> Chris S. -
> 77 Kingsley, 3.70 FD, mostly OEM -
> S.E. Michigan
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I have the Gary Rockwell aluminum intake as sold by Applied a few years back. I installed it myself and got the ports sealed well using the Dick
Paterson gaskets and SS block-off plates, but I didn't do so well with the end wall seal and had some oil leaks at the front one.

I replaced it for the usual reasons (lighter weight, no exhaust crossovers, no crack like my old one was starting to do, Cool factor, etc). I really
didn't expect a performance increase since it is basically a copy of the cast iron manifold made of aluminum, but it may have helped with vapor lock
issues (ongoing with this coach no matter what I do to it, it seems).

I recently had my heads replaced and my mechanic did the installation and this time, there are no oil leaks. When I went to get gaskets for it, I
talked to Dick Paterson who told me to go with his gaskets due to the minimal thickness of them. The thinner gaskets allow the manifold to sit deeper
into the engine allowing the ports to line up better. Made sense to me, so that's what I did.

--
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles,
Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
 
Arg! How did I type that? I knew it was actually Gary Rockwell. haha I
don't know how the developer of an alternative airbag system got in there.

duh
bdub

> Mark Wall used an amazing process to create that manifold. Charles Wersal
> sent him a manifold he didn't need any longer to sacrifice for the greater
> good. Thankfully he documented it faithfully.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3738-gmc-intake-manifold-project.html
>
> bdub
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
>> Mike you get the sam,e help whether you buy or not.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
>> me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>>
>>
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Billy, out West we call those kinds of cranial events, "brain farts". Comes
with having a huge amount of information stored there with a faulty
retrieval system. (Grin) Happens to all of us, if we live long enough.
Jim Hupy

Arg! How did I type that? I knew it was actually Gary Rockwell. haha I
don't know how the developer of an alternative airbag system got in there.

duh
bdub

> Mark Wall used an amazing process to create that manifold. Charles Wersal
> sent him a manifold he didn't need any longer to sacrifice for the greater
> good. Thankfully he documented it faithfully.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3738-gmc-intake-manifold-project.html
>
> bdub
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
>> Mike you get the sam,e help whether you buy or not.
>>
>> --johnny
>> --
>> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>> Braselton, Ga.
>> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to
>> me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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I was wondering about that... :)

When we installed Gary's manifold on my new engine, both me and John Beaver
were quite pleased at how light it was. There was no evidence of any
problem after thousands of miles on the old engine.

My only strong recommendation with that manifold is to install studs for
the thermostat housing. Unlike on the iron manifold, the threaded holes
don't penetrate the water jacket and they aren't deep enough for any
standard-length bolt that won't bottom out.

Also, they need high-collar washers on the intake bolts, instead of
standard flat washers, which won't seat on the machined washer surface. I
corrected that issue with the motor, also.

I used the thin gaskets and block-off plates that Dick provides.

Rick "hoping Gary survived that ordeal" Denney

> Arg! How did I type that? I knew it was actually Gary Rockwell. haha I
> don't know how the developer of an alternative airbag system got in there.
>
> duh
> bdub
>

>
> > Mark Wall used an amazing process to create that manifold. Charles
> Wersal
> > sent him a manifold he didn't need any longer to sacrifice for the
> greater
> > good. Thankfully he documented it faithfully.
> >
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3738-gmc-intake-manifold-project.html
> >
> > bdub
>
> --
Rick Denney
73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
 
I learned through experience how to install the Rockwell manifold. It is a
great replacement for that cast iron boat anchor that Olds used. There is
one shortcoming. The lower casting on the intake ports is a bit shorter
than the stock iron manifold, and requires very precise placement and
alignment when you install them. Easy to do when the engine is on a stand,
but a bitch when hanging over the hatch. I invert the manifold over a block
on the bench, and spray adhesive onto the intake ports. Then, spray the
gasket with 2 wet coats and apply it to the manifold and align the gasket
with bolts. Leave it overnight. Use "the right stuff" sealant around the
water passages on the 4 corners of the manifold, a big dab on each corner
where the heads meet the block and manifold, and a 3/16" ribbon on the end
walls. Let that tack up a bit, so that it does not stick to your finger.
Then, place the manifold carefully, align the holes with taper punches, and
use new bolts and thick washers. Tighten the manifold using Olds
recommended sequence. If the gaskets slip, your engine will drink oil from
the valley. This is only a problem for the 455. The 403 uses a turkey tray
intake gasket. If you want more details, call me.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

> I was wondering about that... :)
>
> When we installed Gary's manifold on my new engine, both me and John Beaver
> were quite pleased at how light it was. There was no evidence of any
> problem after thousands of miles on the old engine.
>
> My only strong recommendation with that manifold is to install studs for
> the thermostat housing. Unlike on the iron manifold, the threaded holes
> don't penetrate the water jacket and they aren't deep enough for any
> standard-length bolt that won't bottom out.
>
> Also, they need high-collar washers on the intake bolts, instead of
> standard flat washers, which won't seat on the machined washer surface. I
> corrected that issue with the motor, also.
>
> I used the thin gaskets and block-off plates that Dick provides.
>
> Rick "hoping Gary survived that ordeal" Denney
>

>
> > Arg! How did I type that? I knew it was actually Gary Rockwell. haha
> I
> > don't know how the developer of an alternative airbag system got in
> there.
> >
> > duh
> > bdub
> >

> >
> > > Mark Wall used an amazing process to create that manifold. Charles
> > Wersal
> > > sent him a manifold he didn't need any longer to sacrifice for the
> > greater
> > > good. Thankfully he documented it faithfully.
> > >
> > > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3738-gmc-intake-
> manifold-project.html
> > >
> > > bdub
> >
> > --
> Rick Denney
> 73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
> Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
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