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Ok. This is going to be my final stab at this alt. energy subject. Using a
regenerative steam (medium does not have to be water, sodium also would
work) turbine, powered by hydrogen, extracted from water by a much improved
electrolysis system than exists today, and portable enough to be
transported by a vehicle as large as a GMC motorhome, is a feasible option
for a pollution minimal system.
In Europe, electrolysis extraction of hydrogen from sea water is
already done on a large scale. Costs more than fossil fuels do today, but
is not reliant upon greedy middle eastern oil sheik managed supplies,
constantly threatened by cutoffs based on politics, etc. Progress has been
made in using catalysts to improve the efficiency of the conversion
processes. Remember, baby steps before sprints. It is coming, and might
work. Just food for thought.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 6:23 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> "Can we please forget about steam power."
>
> Uh, probably not. Just hit the enter key if it bothers you.
>
> --johnny
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And where does the electricity come from for he electrolysis?

Lets not forget anytime you change power from on type to another you loose power.

Sodium? A whole new set of problems.

> Ok. This is going to be my final stab at this alt. energy subject. Using a
> regenerative steam (medium does not have to be water, sodium also would
> work) turbine, powered by hydrogen, extracted from water by a much improved
> electrolysis system than exists today, and portable enough to be
> transported by a vehicle as large as a GMC motorhome, is a feasible option
> for a pollution minimal system.
> In Europe, electrolysis extraction of hydrogen from sea water is
> already done on a large scale. Costs more than fossil fuels do today, but
> is not reliant upon greedy middle eastern oil sheik managed supplies,
> constantly threatened by cutoffs based on politics, etc. Progress has been
> made in using catalysts to improve the efficiency of the conversion
> processes. Remember, baby steps before sprints. It is coming, and might
> work. Just food for thought.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 6:23 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>
> > "Can we please forget about steam power."
> >
> > Uh, probably not. Just hit the enter key if it bothers you.
> >
> > --johnny
> > --
> > Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > Braselton, Ga.
> > I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> > in hell
> >
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Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 10:01 AM Mike Hamm via Gmclist <

> And where does the electricity come from for he electrolysis?
>
> Lets not forget anytime you change power from on type to another you loose
> power.
>
> Sodium? A whole new set of problems.
>
>
>
>
>

> > Ok. This is going to be my final stab at this alt. energy subject. Using
> a
> > regenerative steam (medium does not have to be water, sodium also would
> > work) turbine, powered by hydrogen, extracted from water by a much
> improved
> > electrolysis system than exists today, and portable enough to be
> > transported by a vehicle as large as a GMC motorhome, is a feasible
> option
> > for a pollution minimal system.
> > In Europe, electrolysis extraction of hydrogen from sea water is
> > already done on a large scale. Costs more than fossil fuels do today, but
> > is not reliant upon greedy middle eastern oil sheik managed supplies,
> > constantly threatened by cutoffs based on politics, etc. Progress has
> been
> > made in using catalysts to improve the efficiency of the conversion
> > processes. Remember, baby steps before sprints. It is coming, and might
> > work. Just food for thought.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 6:23 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> >
> > > "Can we please forget about steam power."
> > >
> > > Uh, probably not. Just hit the enter key if it bothers you.
> > >
> > > --johnny
> > > --
> > > Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> > > Braselton, Ga.
> > > I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer
> to me
> > > in hell
> > >
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Or excess electric capacity from their many nukes at night.

>
> Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
 
Don't remind me. I am a senior citizen, living on fixed retirement benefits
that I worked all my life for. It for damn sure wasn't free, if you add up
all the years it took. We (Society) collectively pay a portion of the
development costs of any technology that is developed, be it solar, wind,
nuclear, hydro, co-gen, you name it. Tain't nuttin' free, fer sure!!!
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 12:47 PM Mike Hamm via Gmclist <

> Ain't nothin Free
>
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You can’t make batteries without coal.

You can’t make solar panels without huge amounts of carbon.

You can’t make aluminum without a Significant ratio of carbon electrode to alumina

Carbon Steel. The name says it all.

You can’t create any of it with consistent, reliable power that does not quit when the wind does not blow or the sun is obscured.

Which means nuclear, hydro, natural gas and coal.

Dolph Santorine

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

>
> And where does the electricity come from for he electrolysis?
>
> Lets not forget anytime you change power from on type to another you loose power.
>
> Sodium? A whole new set of problems.
>
>
>
>
>

>> Ok. This is going to be my final stab at this alt. energy subject. Using a
>> regenerative steam (medium does not have to be water, sodium also would
>> work) turbine, powered by hydrogen, extracted from water by a much improved
>> electrolysis system than exists today, and portable enough to be
>> transported by a vehicle as large as a GMC motorhome, is a feasible option
>> for a pollution minimal system.
>> In Europe, electrolysis extraction of hydrogen from sea water is
>> already done on a large scale. Costs more than fossil fuels do today, but
>> is not reliant upon greedy middle eastern oil sheik managed supplies,
>> constantly threatened by cutoffs based on politics, etc. Progress has been
>> made in using catalysts to improve the efficiency of the conversion
>> processes. Remember, baby steps before sprints. It is coming, and might
>> work. Just food for thought.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020, 6:23 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

>>>
>>> "Can we please forget about steam power."
>>>
>>> Uh, probably not. Just hit the enter key if it bothers you.
>>>
>>> --johnny
>>> --
>>> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
>>> Braselton, Ga.
>>> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
>>> in hell
>>>
>>>
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Or batteries to catch that windmill and solar power electricity.

And then there is the nearly limitless geothermal.

The future can be filled with clean air if we choose.

Larry Davick
Fremont

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>
> You can’t make batteries without coal.
>
> You can’t make solar panels without huge amounts of carbon.
>
> You can’t make aluminum without a Significant ratio of carbon electrode to alumina
>
> Carbon Steel. The name says it all.
>
> You can’t create any of it with consistent, reliable power that does not quit when the wind does not blow or the sun is obscured.
>
> Which means nuclear, hydro, natural gas and coal.
>
> Dolph Santorine
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 ex-Palm Beach TZE167V100820
> Howell EFI/EBL , Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
 
I installed the charging infrastructure for the Port Authority of NY & NJ, for their Proterra Shuttle buses. If anyone wants some detailed info, let
me know
--
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.

Colonial Travelers
 
Actually, a steel plant with many acres of solar panels muight well be breaking CO2 into its components, getting the carbon for the steel and the
oxygen for the furnace all at once. Infrastructure is changing slowly. As to solar and wind power, storage is advancing, some ideas were busts, some
work. The one up the road works well, but it's storing excess hydro pwoer. m An equally needed idea.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
> Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon

Nobody is calling wind and solar "free" energy. It is the energy that is out there and it is heavily underutilized. Where did all the dinosaur
juices come from in the first place?... SUN!!!
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
 
When I put a comment like "free energy" or some such, it is intended to be
a sarcastic remark. Everyone knows that there is no such thing as free
energy. As a matter of fact, wind and solar are among the most expensive,
long haul, to produce. That is not intended to suggest that we as a society
should not use them based upon cost per kwh only. Wind turbines commonly
wear out and need expensive repairs or replacement, long before they pay
off their initial costs of installation. Solar becomes less efficient as
well, as it ages. Nuclear power plants frequently need to be mothballed
long before their initial costs have been paid back by the sale of power
that they produce. Only hydro can tout that it pays back its investment
costs. Facts of life. Turn out the lights, live in caves and wear animal
skins for warmth, I guess.
That suggestion probably will annoy those who depend upon public
assistance and only eat at fast food establishments, but when this big
bubble we are living in finally bursts, it's gonna get ugly really fast.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, 8:02 AM Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist <

> > Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Oregon
>
> Nobody is calling wind and solar "free" energy. It is the energy that is
> out there and it is heavily underutilized. Where did all the dinosaur
> juices come from in the first place?... SUN!!!
> --
> Vadim Jitkov
> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA
>
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I don’t think anyone thought we should have “free” energy.

I think many of us want to use the most cost efficient, “cleanest” energy possible, and that is NOT Wind or Solar.

I was in Baltimore for an “unofficial” work rally this weekend. The drive home took me by the central Pennsylvania wind farm.

One turbine was turning slowly, and the rest were idled.

The USE electricity to make it spin. It’s all about optics.

I’m not about to buy the 55 cents per kilowatt hour electricity they produce, when I can have a perfectly good coal/nuclear blend for 11 cents.

If you drive a Tesla in many parts of this country, you car is powered by COAL.

Before anyone calls me a hypocrite, I am having 20kw of solar installed next to my home. Without the subsidy, it’s stupid expensive. With the subsidy, it’s functionally free.

I may be principled, but I’m not about to turn away free money.

I don’t believe CO2 is a pollutant. I came into this world in a puff of CO2, have been producing it for 61 years, and I’ll leave in a puff of CO2.

No, you won’t change my mind.

The solar panels are an issue of well intentioned legislation that leaves enormous amounts of money on the table.

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”

|[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
"--OO--[]---O-"

>

>> Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
>
> Nobody is calling wind and solar "free" energy. It is the energy that is out there and it is heavily underutilized. Where did all the dinosaur
> juices come from in the first place?... SUN!!!
> --
> Vadim Jitkov
> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA
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A coal-fired Tesla is probably cleaner than most ICE cars.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 8:47 AM Dolph Santorine via Gmclist <

> I don’t think anyone thought we should have “free” energy.
>
> I think many of us want to use the most cost efficient, “cleanest” energy
> possible, and that is NOT Wind or Solar.
>
> I was in Baltimore for an “unofficial” work rally this weekend. The drive
> home took me by the central Pennsylvania wind farm.
>
> One turbine was turning slowly, and the rest were idled.
>
> The USE electricity to make it spin. It’s all about optics.
>
> I’m not about to buy the 55 cents per kilowatt hour electricity they
> produce, when I can have a perfectly good coal/nuclear blend for 11 cents.
>
> If you drive a Tesla in many parts of this country, you car is powered by
> COAL.
>
> Before anyone calls me a hypocrite, I am having 20kw of solar installed
> next to my home. Without the subsidy, it’s stupid expensive. With the
> subsidy, it’s functionally free.
>
> I may be principled, but I’m not about to turn away free money.
>
> I don’t believe CO2 is a pollutant. I came into this world in a puff of
> CO2, have been producing it for 61 years, and I’ll leave in a puff of CO2.
>
> No, you won’t change my mind.
>
> The solar panels are an issue of well intentioned legislation that leaves
> enormous amounts of money on the table.
>
>
> Dolph
>
> DE AD0LF
>
> Wheeling, West Virginia
>
> 1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
> Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Manny Transmission
>
> “The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress”
>
> |[ ]~~~[][ ][] \
> "--OO--[]---O-"
>
> > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:01 AM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist <

> >

> >> Well of course it has to come from a "free source" like solar or wind.
> >> Jim Hupy
> >> Salem, Oregon
> >
> > Nobody is calling wind and solar "free" energy. It is the energy that
> is out there and it is heavily underutilized. Where did all the dinosaur
> > juices come from in the first place?... SUN!!!
> > --
> > Vadim Jitkov
> > '76 Glenbrook 26'
> > Pullman, WA
> >
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From what I read, the short term problem with wind power is what to do with the turbine blades, since they don't seem to be recyclable. The options
right now are cut them up and stuff them in landfills, or burn the resin away and then recycle the glass. The burn isn'
t feasable due to the pollution ot would cause so they're being buried. There is now a design which doesn'tuse a gearbox, greatly reducing the cost
and complexity of the generator portion iof the wind systems.
As a non-political aside, fix mindedness on just about any subject pretty much always turns oput to be a bad idea :)

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
 
> A coal-fired Tesla is probably cleaner than most ICE cars.--
>
> *John Phillips*

John,

Do yourself a big favor and don't ever do an inclusive audit.

When you include the processes to retrieve the material, nothing but hydropower (small dams only) and sailboats (wooden hulls and non-synthetic sails)
looks very good in the total picture.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Anyone know of a hybrid system that is being made that could be used in our GMC?
--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
> Anyone know of a hybrid system that is being made that could be used in our GMC?

If you are really interested,keep an eye on the Ram Promaster series. Every body I knew there that could has retired, but I know that hybrid was an
interest.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
is that with the Maxwell GM PHEV powertrain ?

> > Anyone know of a hybrid system that is being made that could be used in our GMC?
>
> If you are really interested,keep an eye on the Ram Promaster series. Every body I knew there that could has retired, but I know that hybrid was
> an interest.
>
> Matt

--
1977 Kingsley 455 as stock as it gets except lots of Ragusa parts
 
It would be interesting to add a mild hybrid like Dodge does on the Ram trucks. Basically a 48 volt battery pack and a massive alternator / motor. Taking off from a stop it assists the motor through fan belts.
Also the Lordstown inhub motors are interesting. They could be swapped in one of th bogie axles to add ooomph and regen braking.
The future is going to be fun.
Larry Davick
A MysteryMachine
1976 Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca.
 
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