ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
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The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be charged is up the street from my house in the west end
of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
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DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be charged is up the street from my house in the west end
of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
--
DAVE KING
lurker, wannabe
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Our Coach does not have the space for battery to do long distance YET.
Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
weight.
You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
are done combusting Fossil fuels.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
> The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be charged
> is up the street from my house in the west end
> of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> --
> DAVE KING
> lurker, wannabe
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.gmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
weight.
You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
are done combusting Fossil fuels.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
> The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be charged
> is up the street from my house in the west end
> of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> --
> DAVE KING
> lurker, wannabe
> Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.gmcrvparts.com
1-800-752-7502
This EV stuff is a huge joke! You ever think where that electricity that
you charge your EV comes from? East of the Rockies, nearly all of it comes
from Nuclear, Coal, Natural Gas, and other fossil fuels. On the Western
parts of the US, It is a mixture of Hydro power, Nuclear, and some fossil
fuel thrown in for good measure. So, stop harping on clean energy, because
that is just not true. Not today, Not tomorrow either. Wind Energy, you
say! Well, that is just a tiny drip in a very big container. And not
terribly reliable in today's format. Ah yes, that leaves free energy from
the Sun. Presently the same as wind energy. Don't do too much during
darkness either. When is that going to change? No time very soon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:13 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
> Our Coach does not have the space for battery to do long distance YET.
> Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
> weight.
> You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
> are done combusting Fossil fuels.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
>
> > The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> > number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> > from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> > no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> > look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be
> charged
> > is up the street from my house in the west end
> > of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> > done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> > Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> > them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> > stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> > was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> > --
> > DAVE KING
> > lurker, wannabe
> > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
> >
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>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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you charge your EV comes from? East of the Rockies, nearly all of it comes
from Nuclear, Coal, Natural Gas, and other fossil fuels. On the Western
parts of the US, It is a mixture of Hydro power, Nuclear, and some fossil
fuel thrown in for good measure. So, stop harping on clean energy, because
that is just not true. Not today, Not tomorrow either. Wind Energy, you
say! Well, that is just a tiny drip in a very big container. And not
terribly reliable in today's format. Ah yes, that leaves free energy from
the Sun. Presently the same as wind energy. Don't do too much during
darkness either. When is that going to change? No time very soon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:13 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
> Our Coach does not have the space for battery to do long distance YET.
> Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
> weight.
> You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
> are done combusting Fossil fuels.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
>
> > The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> > number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> > from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> > no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> > look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be
> charged
> > is up the street from my house in the west end
> > of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> > done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> > Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> > them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> > stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> > was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> > --
> > DAVE KING
> > lurker, wannabe
> > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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> >
>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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And to say nothing about all the mining of hazardous minerals to
make batteries and no safe disposal of those at end of useful life.
Then add all the mining, smelting, refining, processing of "stuff"
that also poses immense problems of disposal. Biomass? Growing
replacement of products that can be used for food and the resultant
increase in shortages of food worldwide?
Talk about "bah humbug!"
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
'76 ex-Palm Beach
k2gkk + hotmail dot com
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From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 18:53
To: gmclist
Cc: James Hupy
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
This EV stuff is a huge joke! You ever think where that electricity that
you charge your EV comes from? East of the Rockies, nearly all of it comes
from Nuclear, Coal, Natural Gas, and other fossil fuels. On the Western
parts of the US, It is a mixture of Hydro power, Nuclear, and some fossil
fuel thrown in for good measure. So, stop harping on clean energy, because
that is just not true. Not today, Not tomorrow either. Wind Energy, you
say! Well, that is just a tiny drip in a very big container. And not
terribly reliable in today's format. Ah yes, that leaves free energy from
the Sun. Presently the same as wind energy. Don't do too much during
darkness either. When is that going to change? No time very soon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:13 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
> Our Coach does not have the space for battery to do long distance YET.
> Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
> weight.
> You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
> are done combusting Fossil fuels.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
>
> > The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> > number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> > from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> > no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> > look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be
> charged
> > is up the street from my house in the west end
> > of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> > done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> > Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> > them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> > stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> > was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> > --
> > DAVE KING
> > lurker, wannabe
> > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
make batteries and no safe disposal of those at end of useful life.
Then add all the mining, smelting, refining, processing of "stuff"
that also poses immense problems of disposal. Biomass? Growing
replacement of products that can be used for food and the resultant
increase in shortages of food worldwide?
Talk about "bah humbug!"
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Amateur Radio K2GKK
Since 30 November '53
USAF and FAA, Retired
Member GMCMI & Classics
Oklahoma City, OK
"The Money Pit"
TZE166V101966
'76 ex-Palm Beach
k2gkk + hotmail dot com
________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of James Hupy via Gmclist
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 18:53
To: gmclist
Cc: James Hupy
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
This EV stuff is a huge joke! You ever think where that electricity that
you charge your EV comes from? East of the Rockies, nearly all of it comes
from Nuclear, Coal, Natural Gas, and other fossil fuels. On the Western
parts of the US, It is a mixture of Hydro power, Nuclear, and some fossil
fuel thrown in for good measure. So, stop harping on clean energy, because
that is just not true. Not today, Not tomorrow either. Wind Energy, you
say! Well, that is just a tiny drip in a very big container. And not
terribly reliable in today's format. Ah yes, that leaves free energy from
the Sun. Presently the same as wind energy. Don't do too much during
darkness either. When is that going to change? No time very soon.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020, 4:13 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <
> Our Coach does not have the space for battery to do long distance YET.
> Tesla is doing a high density battery now that can aide in saving space and
> weight.
> You must realize majority of electric power we use to charge these units
> are done combusting Fossil fuels.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:23 AM Dave King via Gmclist <
>
> > The City of Toronto Municipal Transit agency has recently acquired a
> > number of all electric transit buses. I believe they got them
> > from three different suppliers/sources to evaluate 3 versions. They have
> > no (0) on-board internal combustion engines. They
> > look like a regular TTC transit bus. The place where they go to be
> charged
> > is up the street from my house in the west end
> > of Toronto, so it looks like some of the engineering has already been
> > done. In the spring of 2020 when these first appeared on the roads in
> > Toronto, I tried to find out the "stuff" about these buses. eg who built
> > them, type of batteries, run distance, charge time and all the
> > stuff about their charging. At the time I looked all I find on first pass
> > was PR stuff. Be my guest to look again.
> > --
> > DAVE KING
> > lurker, wannabe
> > Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.gmcrvparts.com
> 1-800-752-7502
Well the electricity to charge our Tesla largely comes from the solar panels on our roof, but we don't drive much these days. 50 gallons of fuel
takes a good bit of space. An engine and transaxle do too. Mufflers, exhaust pipes, well, you get the idea. An electric motor / gearbox are far
more compact than our powertrain, and battery density is improving all the time.
Benefits of electric drive train:
Quiet operation
Enhanced braking (regenerative)
Instant torque
Vastly lower maintenance
Zero tailpipe emissions - no tailpipe!
"Filling stations?" Electricity is almost everywhere. What's missing are the right connections.
Shortcomings of electric drive train:
Cost
Energy density of batteries
As for the environmental impact of making batteries - there are few activities on earth that are more harmful to us all than extracting / refining /
transporting / burning of fossil fuels. Duh.
Electricity is not fuel, however it can be generated in very sustainable ways. As we move to more of these sustainable sources those things that use
electricity get cleaner. You just can't say that a 1976 GMC produces fewer emissions because of modern fuel - well not much.
Come on, guys. The future is electric. It's not a threat to anyone, it's progress. Go drive a Tesla and tell me that it's not a real car. If you
bury your foot into the accelerator you'll be a believer. Electric drive trains are more efficient than gas. Efficiency is what killed the Rotary
and I suspect the turbine too.
Let me step off of my soapbox.
--
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Dizzy
takes a good bit of space. An engine and transaxle do too. Mufflers, exhaust pipes, well, you get the idea. An electric motor / gearbox are far
more compact than our powertrain, and battery density is improving all the time.
Benefits of electric drive train:
Quiet operation
Enhanced braking (regenerative)
Instant torque
Vastly lower maintenance
Zero tailpipe emissions - no tailpipe!
"Filling stations?" Electricity is almost everywhere. What's missing are the right connections.
Shortcomings of electric drive train:
Cost
Energy density of batteries
As for the environmental impact of making batteries - there are few activities on earth that are more harmful to us all than extracting / refining /
transporting / burning of fossil fuels. Duh.
Electricity is not fuel, however it can be generated in very sustainable ways. As we move to more of these sustainable sources those things that use
electricity get cleaner. You just can't say that a 1976 GMC produces fewer emissions because of modern fuel - well not much.
Come on, guys. The future is electric. It's not a threat to anyone, it's progress. Go drive a Tesla and tell me that it's not a real car. If you
bury your foot into the accelerator you'll be a believer. Electric drive trains are more efficient than gas. Efficiency is what killed the Rotary
and I suspect the turbine too.
Let me step off of my soapbox.
--
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Dizzy
> OK boys how about a hybrid.
In my humble opinion, a hybrid is a great idea. Put in-wheel motors to
the rear wheels, remove one of the two gas tanks and replace them with
batteries. Now you have a vehicle that can go miles after miles at
constant speed on the highway using gas, a vehicle that can easily
accelerate in the city using electricity, or move with much more ease on
slippery surfaces than before with gas and electricity.
In Germany our energy mix is really looking better towards renewables, I
am sure other countries will follow suit, in case anyone thinks about
the environmental impact.
--
Best regards
Olly Schmidt
PGP KeyID: 0x4196BF22
'76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US (transmission boils oil
)
'73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
In my humble opinion, a hybrid is a great idea. Put in-wheel motors to
the rear wheels, remove one of the two gas tanks and replace them with
batteries. Now you have a vehicle that can go miles after miles at
constant speed on the highway using gas, a vehicle that can easily
accelerate in the city using electricity, or move with much more ease on
slippery surfaces than before with gas and electricity.
In Germany our energy mix is really looking better towards renewables, I
am sure other countries will follow suit, in case anyone thinks about
the environmental impact.
--
Best regards
Olly Schmidt
PGP KeyID: 0x4196BF22
'76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US (transmission boils oil
)'73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
Large commercial power plants, even if they are coal-fired, probably
produce cleaner/ more efficient energy than burning gas in our mother
homes. All that said, our Motorhomes are not a good target vehicle. We do
not have a lot of starts and stops. Most of us would not have a lot of
charge cycles a year. City busses are a different story; they stop all the
time using regenerative-breaking with a lot of acceleration and very little
high speed that sucks power. City garbage trucks would be another good
target where they drive a few feet and stop only to go to the next house.
Most of us do not do a lot of starts and stops in a year. The other place
where electric drive shines is going up and down hills.
If you look at each stop/start or going up and down hills as a mini
discharge/charge cycles, driving 500 miles down a flat freeway does not
compare with a city bus.
If you look at how batteries are used on the gird, you will see that they
are constantly switching from charge to discharge and back again. They act
more like a large filter cap does for a DC bus rather than long term
storage.
I can see if you want to play; this could be a fun project. I put 9.2KWDC
solar on my last house, and it turned out to be a fun project; it was not
planned that way, but how else do you write off $12,000?
For a battery vehicle to be efficient, it needs to be used, the more charge
cycles the better. I would love to get a Tesla Model 3 or S but as my son
pointed out, it would take a long time, saving 15 gallons month, to pay for
a Tesla.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:10 PM Olly Schmidt via Gmclist <
> > OK boys how about a hybrid.
>
> In my humble opinion, a hybrid is a great idea. Put in-wheel motors to
> the rear wheels, remove one of the two gas tanks and replace them with
> batteries. Now you have a vehicle that can go miles after miles at
> constant speed on the highway using gas, a vehicle that can easily
> accelerate in the city using electricity, or move with much more ease on
> slippery surfaces than before with gas and electricity.
>
> In Germany our energy mix is really looking better towards renewables, I
> am sure other countries will follow suit, in case anyone thinks about
> the environmental impact.
> --
> Best regards
>
> Olly Schmidt
> PGP KeyID: 0x4196BF22
> '76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US (transmission boils oil )
> '73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
>
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produce cleaner/ more efficient energy than burning gas in our mother
homes. All that said, our Motorhomes are not a good target vehicle. We do
not have a lot of starts and stops. Most of us would not have a lot of
charge cycles a year. City busses are a different story; they stop all the
time using regenerative-breaking with a lot of acceleration and very little
high speed that sucks power. City garbage trucks would be another good
target where they drive a few feet and stop only to go to the next house.
Most of us do not do a lot of starts and stops in a year. The other place
where electric drive shines is going up and down hills.
If you look at each stop/start or going up and down hills as a mini
discharge/charge cycles, driving 500 miles down a flat freeway does not
compare with a city bus.
If you look at how batteries are used on the gird, you will see that they
are constantly switching from charge to discharge and back again. They act
more like a large filter cap does for a DC bus rather than long term
storage.
I can see if you want to play; this could be a fun project. I put 9.2KWDC
solar on my last house, and it turned out to be a fun project; it was not
planned that way, but how else do you write off $12,000?
For a battery vehicle to be efficient, it needs to be used, the more charge
cycles the better. I would love to get a Tesla Model 3 or S but as my son
pointed out, it would take a long time, saving 15 gallons month, to pay for
a Tesla.
On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 11:10 PM Olly Schmidt via Gmclist <
> > OK boys how about a hybrid.
>
> In my humble opinion, a hybrid is a great idea. Put in-wheel motors to
> the rear wheels, remove one of the two gas tanks and replace them with
> batteries. Now you have a vehicle that can go miles after miles at
> constant speed on the highway using gas, a vehicle that can easily
> accelerate in the city using electricity, or move with much more ease on
> slippery surfaces than before with gas and electricity.
>
> In Germany our energy mix is really looking better towards renewables, I
> am sure other countries will follow suit, in case anyone thinks about
> the environmental impact.
> --
> Best regards
>
> Olly Schmidt
> PGP KeyID: 0x4196BF22
> '76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US (transmission boils oil
)> '73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
>
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I submit that the electric future is actually somewhat short term, hydrogen being the long term. Infrastructure is required forit which will take
decades at a minimum to build. How long have we been running pipeline for oil and gas? We'd need the same amount to move hydrogen, and the pipes
would be more expensive to keep the gas in them. However, once done we can use solar energy to produce the hydrogen, which is substantially easier to
store than electricity on a national scale. In my lifetime? Probably not. In some of yall's, starting in pockets, probably. Toyota is already
putting them on the street in the far west where they have fueling station(s).
--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
decades at a minimum to build. How long have we been running pipeline for oil and gas? We'd need the same amount to move hydrogen, and the pipes
would be more expensive to keep the gas in them. However, once done we can use solar energy to produce the hydrogen, which is substantially easier to
store than electricity on a national scale. In my lifetime? Probably not. In some of yall's, starting in pockets, probably. Toyota is already
putting them on the street in the far west where they have fueling station(s).
--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Hydrogen is sexy but the round trip electricity back to electricity after
being stored at 10,000 PSI is running at about 20% while batteries are
about 90%. You do not need the pipeline if you generate the H2 locally. The
advantage large plants have is in converting CH4 to H2 but then you are
still using natural gas which would be more effective if you just used it
in an NG car.
H2 works if you are willing to pay 4 times as much for the energy to get a
much longer range without the weight gain batteries would have. H2 would
have a larger volume gain than batteries for the extra range.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 6:33 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> I submit that the electric future is actually somewhat short term,
> hydrogen being the long term. Infrastructure is required forit which will
> take
> decades at a minimum to build. How long have we been running pipeline for
> oil and gas? We'd need the same amount to move hydrogen, and the pipes
> would be more expensive to keep the gas in them. However, once done we
> can use solar energy to produce the hydrogen, which is substantially easier
> to
> store than electricity on a national scale. In my lifetime? Probably
> not. In some of yall's, starting in pockets, probably. Toyota is already
> putting them on the street in the far west where they have fueling
> station(s).
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
>
>
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being stored at 10,000 PSI is running at about 20% while batteries are
about 90%. You do not need the pipeline if you generate the H2 locally. The
advantage large plants have is in converting CH4 to H2 but then you are
still using natural gas which would be more effective if you just used it
in an NG car.
H2 works if you are willing to pay 4 times as much for the energy to get a
much longer range without the weight gain batteries would have. H2 would
have a larger volume gain than batteries for the extra range.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 6:33 AM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <
> I submit that the electric future is actually somewhat short term,
> hydrogen being the long term. Infrastructure is required forit which will
> take
> decades at a minimum to build. How long have we been running pipeline for
> oil and gas? We'd need the same amount to move hydrogen, and the pipes
> would be more expensive to keep the gas in them. However, once done we
> can use solar energy to produce the hydrogen, which is substantially easier
> to
> store than electricity on a national scale. In my lifetime? Probably
> not. In some of yall's, starting in pockets, probably. Toyota is already
> putting them on the street in the far west where they have fueling
> station(s).
>
> --johnny
> --
> Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell
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As I said, it's the long term solution. Short and mid term will require way more generating capacity than we have, which will require nukes or
massive pollution.\
--johnny
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
massive pollution.\
--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
Crazy idea on ultimate power train upgrade... What if we go with the electric motors at the wheels (say middle ones) and a diesel engine + generator
to produce power to drive the motors. No need for a large battery. The engine can be set up to run at optimal load range for it (like industrial
generators do). You can size the generator/engine combination to provide enough power on straights plus some extra power for hills. Basically I'm
thinking along the way the diesel electric trains are powered.
I don't have any experience with sizing electric motors/generators, so I don't know how much power we would need to propel GMC down the road. I'm sure
it can be done this way, just going to take some number crunching to figure out details and $$ to make it happen. Any experienced engineers, please
feel free to educate us on this topic.
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
to produce power to drive the motors. No need for a large battery. The engine can be set up to run at optimal load range for it (like industrial
generators do). You can size the generator/engine combination to provide enough power on straights plus some extra power for hills. Basically I'm
thinking along the way the diesel electric trains are powered.
I don't have any experience with sizing electric motors/generators, so I don't know how much power we would need to propel GMC down the road. I'm sure
it can be done this way, just going to take some number crunching to figure out details and $$ to make it happen. Any experienced engineers, please
feel free to educate us on this topic.
--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
The transit industry has been doing this for ages already in 2 formats...parallel drive or series drive. Problem is you need space for big inverters,
batteries and generator. It works and works well but you would be giving up way more space then you would be thinking. Also if not run in the proper
environment they can be brutal on fuel.
> Crazy idea on ultimate power train upgrade... What if we go with the electric motors at the wheels (say middle ones) and a diesel engine +
> generator to produce power to drive the motors. No need for a large battery. The engine can be set up to run at optimal load range for it (like
> industrial generators do). You can size the generator/engine combination to provide enough power on straights plus some extra power for hills.
> Basically I'm thinking along the way the diesel electric trains are powered.
> I don't have any experience with sizing electric motors/generators, so I don't know how much power we would need to propel GMC down the road. I'm
> sure it can be done this way, just going to take some number crunching to figure out details and $$ to make it happen. Any experienced engineers,
> please feel free to educate us on this topic.
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
batteries and generator. It works and works well but you would be giving up way more space then you would be thinking. Also if not run in the proper
environment they can be brutal on fuel.
> Crazy idea on ultimate power train upgrade... What if we go with the electric motors at the wheels (say middle ones) and a diesel engine +
> generator to produce power to drive the motors. No need for a large battery. The engine can be set up to run at optimal load range for it (like
> industrial generators do). You can size the generator/engine combination to provide enough power on straights plus some extra power for hills.
> Basically I'm thinking along the way the diesel electric trains are powered.
> I don't have any experience with sizing electric motors/generators, so I don't know how much power we would need to propel GMC down the road. I'm
> sure it can be done this way, just going to take some number crunching to figure out details and $$ to make it happen. Any experienced engineers,
> please feel free to educate us on this topic.
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
end....JMHO
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
end....JMHO
--
Rich Mondor,
Brockville, ON
77 Hughes 2600
A 100 mile motorhome is a non-starter and likely not on the drawing board. Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, and others are working on over the road battery operated trucks.
500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
Sent from my iPad
>
> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>
> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>
> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
> end....JMHO
>
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
Sent from my iPad
>
> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>
> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>
> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
> end....JMHO
>
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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Electric RVs IF they ever come out will be like Tesla cars, only for the super wealthy or willing to spend a lot of money for an inferior product
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Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:38 PM
To: gmclist
Cc: Larry Davick ; 6cuda6
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
A 100 mile motorhome is a non-starter and likely not on the drawing board. Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, and others are working on over the road battery operated trucks.
500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
Sent from my iPad
>
> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>
> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>
> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
> end....JMHO
>
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
>
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To: gmclist
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
A 100 mile motorhome is a non-starter and likely not on the drawing board. Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, and others are working on over the road battery operated trucks.
500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
Sent from my iPad
>
> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>
> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>
> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
> end....JMHO
>
> --
> Rich Mondor,
>
> Brockville, ON
>
> 77 Hughes 2600
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Ouch. We're neither super-wealthy nor content with an inferior product.
Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
> Electric RVs IF they ever come out will be like Tesla cars, only for the super wealthy or willing to spend a lot of money for an inferior product
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Larry Davick via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Larry Davick ; 6cuda6
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
>
> A 100 mile motorhome is a non-starter and likely not on the drawing board. Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, and others are working on over the road battery operated trucks.
> 500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
>
> Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
>
> Larry Davick
> A Mystery Machine
> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
> Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>
>> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
>> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
>> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
>> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
>> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
>> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>>
>> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
>> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
>> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>>
>> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
>> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
>> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
>> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
>> end....JMHO
>>
>> --
>> Rich Mondor,
>>
>> Brockville, ON
>>
>> 77 Hughes 2600
>>
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Larry Davick
A Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
> Electric RVs IF they ever come out will be like Tesla cars, only for the super wealthy or willing to spend a lot of money for an inferior product
> ________________________________
> From: Gmclist on behalf of Larry Davick via Gmclist
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 4:38 PM
> To: gmclist
> Cc: Larry Davick ; 6cuda6
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
>
> A 100 mile motorhome is a non-starter and likely not on the drawing board. Tesla, Volvo, Mercedes, and others are working on over the road battery operated trucks.
> 500 mile range would give even boodockers the ability to camp comfortably. Solar panels would top up the daily house use except for air conditioning (I think). I know that my brother-in-law’s SOB never needs to charge the house bank with his 200 watts of solar on the roof.
>
> Electric motors are so much more efficient than ICE. Improve battery density and longevity (cooling) and you’ve got a floor full of electrons. It won’t be too long from now before these start to appear. Innovation takes forever before it comes out of nowhere.
>
> Larry Davick
> A Mystery Machine
> 1976(ish) Palm Beach
> Fremont (home of Tesla’s US factory)
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>
>> I think the concept of an all electric GMC is great but to execute it would basically kill the whole idea of a motorhome. No matter how you slice it
>> you need batteries...mucho batteries to hawl 12000lbs any distance [so just to give you an idea...if you want to move 34000lbs of transit bus
>> 250km[155miles] approx you need 480kWh so just by quick math you need about 160kWh at 670volts approx to move 12000lbs any distance not including
>> accessories like HVAC, lights etc.] At the required discharge/charge rates needed the batteries will have to force cooled, be it liquid or A/C
>> air...then we have to worry about HV cabling inside the vehicle as their is no way to safely run them under the coach really and the whole thing has
>> to be on a floating ground system, DC to DC converters for 12 volt accessories etc...
>>
>> So if your willing to give up most of the reason this thing is a motorhome in the name of driving an electric vehicle go for it....personally i would
>> rather not have to stop every 100 miles for at least 3 hours or more to recharge the batteries in order to make it to my destination that must have
>> major hydro to power the thing for the weekend let alone make it home.
>>
>> People need to learn that going "E" is not green one bit...its "carbon offset" as i call it...you just dont see the emissions coming out of the tail
>> pipe, they are somewhere else instead. IMHO if you want to go green and be able to drive any distance i'd tell you go clean diesel but that too is
>> going to be fazed out in the near future [already mandated in Cali]....so in the mean time look at a modern gas engine alternative that has smart tech
>> in them like cylinder shut down at cruise etc...not the best but at least its not a huge stretch to convert and it keeps it a usable motorhome in the
>> end....JMHO
>>
>> --
>> Rich Mondor,
>>
>> Brockville, ON
>>
>> 77 Hughes 2600
>>
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> DIY kits are available. Mate to the trans with a custom adapter plate. They claim that solid state batteries are "coming soon".
>
> https://diyev.com/diyev-products/
>
> JP
In the computer and programing world, that is caller "Vaporware"?
(Any Day Now? - We are working on the last bug!)
Matt
--
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
> https://diyev.com/diyev-products/
>
> JP
In the computer and programing world, that is caller "Vaporware"?
(Any Day Now? - We are working on the last bug!)
Matt
--
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Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
I'm with Matt on this.
The motors are here now though, GM showed them at SEMA last year. Had a couple in an old Chevy pickup and one on display.
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/nov/sema/1104-e10.html
Hal
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"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
The motors are here now though, GM showed them at SEMA last year. Had a couple in an old Chevy pickup and one on display.
https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/nov/sema/1104-e10.html
Hal
--
"I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own mind, except you happen to be insane."
1977 Royale 101348,
1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
Rio Rancho, NM
If you do that kind of work, you better make sure it goes into an
everyday driver that gets many miles. A vehicle that is parked 11 months
out of the year is the wrong target.
What about adding solar panels and batteries to make everything other than
the drive train eclectic?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:10 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <
> I'm with Matt on this.
> The motors are here now though, GM showed them at SEMA last year. Had a
> couple in an old Chevy pickup and one on display.
>
> https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/nov/sema/1104-e10.html
> Hal
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own
> mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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everyday driver that gets many miles. A vehicle that is parked 11 months
out of the year is the wrong target.
What about adding solar panels and batteries to make everything other than
the drive train eclectic?
On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:10 PM Hal StClair via Gmclist <
> I'm with Matt on this.
> The motors are here now though, GM showed them at SEMA last year. Had a
> couple in an old Chevy pickup and one on display.
>
> https://media.chevrolet.com/media/us/en/chevrolet/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2019/nov/sema/1104-e10.html
> Hal
> --
> "I enjoy talking to you. Your mind appeals to me. It resembles my own
> mind, except you happen to be insane."
>
> 1977 Royale 101348,
>
> 1977 Royale 101586, Diesel powered,
>
>
>
> 1974 Eagle Bus 45',w/slideout,
>
> Rio Rancho, NM
>
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