Alcoa Wheels

zachary zehnacker

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Frank,

The Alcoas have some type of wax like coating when you get them. The
original coating lasts the longest, but still tarnishes pretty fast. As
long as you don't let them get too bad, you can polish them up pretty
quickly with aluminum polish. We have found that putting wax on after the
polish really helps prolong the time between polishing. If you really keep
up with the wax, you probably would not have to polish them much at all.
We have found the original Auri liquid wax to work the best. It has enough
abrasives in it to polish some of the fine scratches out, lasts longer than
most of the other waxes we have tried on the wheels, and is easy to apply
and wipe off. I think that they have since changed the formula to a less
abrasive one, however, so the results may not be as good now. We did try
to coat them with Nylic clear coat from Eastwood which is supposed to work
on metal. We polished them up and then used wax remover to make sure that
the surface was totally clean. The Nylic just beaded up anyway, so we gave
up. We have used it on some other non-polished parts since with varying
levels of success.

Once you have them, you will actually want to polish them. They look SO
good when they are freshly polished. If you don't let them get too bad,
you can do a pretty good job of polishing and waxing in about 30 minutes
per wheel. A quick waxing every other week or so should keep them looking
good for 2 months or so (maybe even longer). Expect to spend over an hour
per wheel for polishing and waxing if you let them get bad though.

Pros: They look GREAT when freshly polished.
They look GOOD most of the time.
They look better than wheel covers or the factory steel wheels no matter how
much you neglect them.
With time, you can restore their original look no matter how bad you let them
get (within reason). Even scratches can be removed by hand or with a
polishing machine.
They are much lighter than the original wheels.
They are much better balanced than the original wheels.
(Our unbalanced set of Alcoas and Michelins resulted in less vibration
than our balanced steel wheels with Michelins.)
They will never rust.
They accept the more common 16" tire.
They accept radial tires.
You can tell everyone you meet that you have 6 (or 7 if you get the spare)
Alcoa wheels. (We actually get to tell everyone we have 13 -
6 trailer wheels, 1 trailer spare, and 6 GMC wheels)

Cons: COST
Time to maintain best look.
Cost and time of other upgrades you will now think are absolutely necessary
because your wheels look SO GOOD. (Don't be surprised if paint and a
frame off are in your future after you get these wheels. Think how
nice the GMC's whose owners were polishing their wheels were. I bet
they were not that nice looking before they got those wheels :).



>Question? Do the Alcoa Wheels have a protective coating like automobile
>wheels? I had noticed at the Marion Rally that some had tarnished badly.
>The ones that looked good where being polished every day. Thinking of
>buying a set but not if they require that much maintenance. Lets here
>the pros and cons.
>Frank TOYOTA LAND
>
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Rick,

As I said, no matter how much you neglect them, they will still look
better than the original wheels IMHO. The time you spend on them is only
if you want them to look their best. The waxing really cuts down on the
time you need to spend on them. It only takes a couple of minutes to wax
each wheel, and it really does prolong the time between polishings. As
long as you keep up with the waxing, you can probably keep the wheels
looking pretty good for longer than the 2 months. Maybe that cleaning kit
from Alcoa that Patrick mentioned includes a wax that might even last
longer? Once you see them on your GMC when they are brand new or freshly
polished, pretty good may not be good enough though. You may end up
polishing them more often. There is just nothing like the sight of freshly
polished aluminum!

Zak

PS - Remember that even the steel wheels need some time if you want them to
always look their best. We had to paint ours a couple of times because
they would start to rust. We didn't like the look of the hubcaps at all
(especially dented ones), so we put trim rings and center lug covers on our
original wheels. This made any rust much more obvious. The problem is
that the steel wheels can never really look that good, so we are willing to
accept a little rust, dents in the hubcaps, etc. With the Alcoas, we know
how good they can look so we work on them.

>Zachary,
> Understand, I think the Alcoas are the nicest thing since canned beer.
>They're light, strong, true, good looking, etc. Some day I want a set.
Or at
>least I thought I did before reading your post! I'm going to have to get a
>whole lot older and a whole lot more bored before I'll spend 3 to 6 hours
>polishing my wheels every 2 weeks to 2 months!??!
> Just my .02.
>
>Rick Staples,
>'75 Eleganza, Louisville, CO
>
>
 
John,

The wheels oxidize. Aluminum oxidizes VERY quickly. The oxidation
actually forms a protective coating on the aluminum which prevents further
oxidation. This keeps the wheels from corroding away to nothing, but it
also makes the surface dull quickly. The wax helps to slow the oxidation
by already forming a protective coating.

The wax does seem to last longer when the motorhome is not used. It could
just be that we are not that concerned with how it looks when we are not
using it though. Not sure why. I figure that even wax on paint has
probably lost much of its effectiveness after a couple of weeks as well.
We have tried liquid Auri, Meguires liquid cleaner wax, Eagle One Carnuba
paste, Rain Dance (thick liquid), and Rally paste. All of the waxes
helped, but the Auri seemed to last the longest and look the best. Some of
the waxes caused visual colored spots (like oil and water) on the wheels
(Rain Dance) which may have been caused by the petroleum content.

The wheels all seem to tarnish at about the same rate on our GMC. The
fronts get a little more brake dust on them, but the wax makes it a quick
wipe job to remove it. I haven't really noticed a difference from the
center of the wheel out either.

Zak

>>Could it be, brake heat being transfered to the wheels and causing
>>faster removal of the wax?
>
>Has anyone with alcoas ever noticed a difference in this 'tarnishing'
>from wheel to wheel? (front more than the back... etc)
>
>
>>Is it rain, air, and centrifugal force?
>
>Is there any difference in tarnishing from the center point out along the
>radius to the point where it meets the tire?
>
>Alcoa must have spent time and money on this... what do they say?
>--
>Regards,
>John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
>
>
 
First I read Frank's question (a question I've had myself)
> I had noticed at the Marion Rally that some had tarnished badly.

Then I read Zak's very informative reply...
> A quick waxing every other week or so should keep them looking
> good for 2 months or so (maybe even longer). Expect to spend over an >
> hour per wheel for polishing and waxing if you let them get bad though.

This is a serious life problem looking for a solution...
What chemically, is going on here? Is it oxidation... is the wax being
removed by the rain water and air turbulence over the wheels...does the
wax get hot in the sun and melt off...who wants to spend 30 minutes per
wheels every 2 weeks (I know I'll want to becasue they look soooo good).
If the coach is not moved does the wax have to be replaced every 2 weeks
as Zak recommends (and I don't doubt him that it does need rewaxing)

- --
Regards,
John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
 
>Could it be, brake heat being transfered to the wheels and causing
>faster removal of the wax?

Has anyone with alcoas ever noticed a difference in this 'tarnishing'
from wheel to wheel? (front more than the back... etc)

>Is it rain, air, and centrifugal force?

Is there any difference in tarnishing from the center point out along the
radius to the point where it meets the tire?

Alcoa must have spent time and money on this... what do they say?
- --
Regards,
John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
 
>John,

> The wheels oxidize. Aluminum oxidizes VERY quickly. The
>oxidation actually forms a protective coating on the aluminum which
>prevents further oxidation. This keeps the wheels from corroding away
>to nothing, but it also makes the surface dull quickly. The wax helps
>to slow the oxidation by already forming a protective coating. The wax
>does seem to last longer when the motorhome is not used.

Zak...
You seem to have had the best experience with Auri, applied every two
weeks. What are the application instructions... do you let it dry then
polish it? Is there anything that you can spray on maybe every week and
just let it dry?

I know that I have no idea how good they look but...

- --
Regards,
John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
(you may be able to tell I want them... but waxing every two weeks?)
 
John,
We apply the Auri just like we would any liquid wax on paint. Rub it on
(you can use the abrasives in it to polish the wheel a little more). Let
it dry to a haze. Wipe it off. It is pretty easy to wipe off (like most
of the other liquid waxes we have used). The liquid waxes do not seem as
touchy about drying time as the paste waxes. Any of the waxes can be used
to do the job in a couple of minutes a wheel. It is pretty easy (much
easier than polishing them all the time).

Don't know of anything you can just spray on and let dry. Chuck Will
(willa) emailed me about a product called Dri Wash and Guard.
I'm not sure if this is a spray on application or a wax type product. I've
never used it myself. I think he distributes the stuff, so he would know
the details about it.

Zak

>Zak...
>You seem to have had the best experience with Auri, applied every two
>weeks. What are the application instructions... do you let it dry then
>polish it? Is there anything that you can spray on maybe every week and
>just let it dry?
>
>I know that I have no idea how good they look but...
>
>--
>Regards,
>John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
>(you may be able to tell I want them... but waxing every two weeks?)
>
>
 
I have got to put in my two cents worth to the GMC group. How would you like to
never have to WAX the GMC again. How would you like to never have to wash it with
water. Yes the chrome the Alcoa Wheels the entire vehicle including the
windshield. You will not have to use the RAIN-X or any other thing on the glass,
windows or mirrors, inside and outside. All you need to use is Dri-Wash and Guard.
The product is made in the USA and is distributed by people like myself through
Envirotech International from Las Vegas, Nevada. There are many product lines that
its company makes but the ones I am concerned with are the ones for our vehicles.
There are a number of GMC people all read using these products and you should be one
of them. I have read a great deal about waxes etc. If that is what you want to do
then that is ok too! But just think of it./ Never wax again! Continue to have the
original painted surface, metal chrome or aluminium finish as it was when it was
brand new. Water is impervious to the surface once applied so is dirt, film etc.
You owe it to your self to at least try it. Thanks for listening Chuck

> John,
> We apply the Auri just like we would any liquid wax on paint. Rub it on
> (you can use the abrasives in it to polish the wheel a little more). Let
> it dry to a haze. Wipe it off. It is pretty easy to wipe off (like most
> of the other liquid waxes we have used). The liquid waxes do not seem as
> touchy about drying time as the paste waxes. Any of the waxes can be used
> to do the job in a couple of minutes a wheel. It is pretty easy (much
> easier than polishing them all the time).
>
> Don't know of anything you can just spray on and let dry. Chuck Will
> (willa) emailed me about a product called Dri Wash and Guard.
> I'm not sure if this is a spray on application or a wax type product. I've
> never used it myself. I think he distributes the stuff, so he would know
> the details about it.
>
> Zak
>

> >Zak...
> >You seem to have had the best experience with Auri, applied every two
> >weeks. What are the application instructions... do you let it dry then
> >polish it? Is there anything that you can spray on maybe every week and
> >just let it dry?
> >
> >I know that I have no idea how good they look but...
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
> >(you may be able to tell I want them... but waxing every two weeks?)
> >
> >
 
I guess I need to be more specific on the application of the Dri Wash and Guard.
First it is non aerosol. The product comes in a pump type applicator. You pump
pressure into the bottle and spray it onto the surface dirty if you will. Wipe it
on, and when dry buff with a clean dry towel type material. I use two towels, one
colored or dark for applying and one clean white for removal. It takes less time to
apply and take off than you would spend washing or waxing the vehicle.
I know people who own GMC's that use it on their air planes, boats etc. It is a
fantastic product. If it was not I would not take the time to tell anybody about it
and I certainly would not use it on any of my vehicles. Chuck

> John,
> We apply the Auri just like we would any liquid wax on paint. Rub it on
> (you can use the abrasives in it to polish the wheel a little more). Let
> it dry to a haze. Wipe it off. It is pretty easy to wipe off (like most
> of the other liquid waxes we have used). The liquid waxes do not seem as
> touchy about drying time as the paste waxes. Any of the waxes can be used
> to do the job in a couple of minutes a wheel. It is pretty easy (much
> easier than polishing them all the time).
>
> Don't know of anything you can just spray on and let dry. Chuck Will
> (willa) emailed me about a product called Dri Wash and Guard.
> I'm not sure if this is a spray on application or a wax type product. I've
> never used it myself. I think he distributes the stuff, so he would know
> the details about it.
>
> Zak
>

> >Zak...
> >You seem to have had the best experience with Auri, applied every two
> >weeks. What are the application instructions... do you let it dry then
> >polish it? Is there anything that you can spray on maybe every week and
> >just let it dry?
> >
> >I know that I have no idea how good they look but...
> >
> >--
> >Regards,
> >John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
> >(you may be able to tell I want them... but waxing every two weeks?)
> >
> >
 
Anyone ever try German Semichrome polish on alcoa wheels? I used it for
some years on my motorcylce engine cases when I was younger. Stuff lasts
and lasts. Very brilliant shine.

>Rick,
>
> As I said, no matter how much you neglect them, they will still look
>better than the original wheels IMHO. The time you spend on them is only
>if you want them to look their best. The waxing really cuts down on the
>time you need to spend on them. It only takes a couple of minutes to wax
>each wheel, and it really does prolong the time between polishings. As
>long as you keep up with the waxing, you can probably keep the wheels
>looking pretty good for longer than the 2 months. Maybe that cleaning kit
>from Alcoa that Patrick mentioned includes a wax that might even last
>longer? Once you see them on your GMC when they are brand new or freshly
>polished, pretty good may not be good enough though. You may end up
>polishing them more often. There is just nothing like the sight of freshly
>polished aluminum!
>
> Zak
>
>PS - Remember that even the steel wheels need some time if you want them to
>always look their best. We had to paint ours a couple of times because
>they would start to rust. We didn't like the look of the hubcaps at all
>(especially dented ones), so we put trim rings and center lug covers on our
>original wheels. This made any rust much more obvious. The problem is
>that the steel wheels can never really look that good, so we are willing to
>accept a little rust, dents in the hubcaps, etc. With the Alcoas, we know
>how good they can look so we work on them.
>
>

>>Zachary,
>> Understand, I think the Alcoas are the nicest thing since canned beer.
>>They're light, strong, true, good looking, etc. Some day I want a set.
>Or at
>>least I thought I did before reading your post! I'm going to have to get a
>>whole lot older and a whole lot more bored before I'll spend 3 to 6 hours
>>polishing my wheels every 2 weeks to 2 months!??!
>> Just my .02.
>>
>>Rick Staples,
>>'75 Eleganza, Louisville, CO
>>
>>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
OK--How do you get the stuff???
Gary '77 Kingsley -- North Bend, Oregon Coast

> I guess I need to be more specific on the application of the Dri Wash and Guard.
> First it is non aerosol. The product comes in a pump type applicator. You pump
> pressure into the bottle and spray it onto the surface dirty if you will. Wipe it
> on, and when dry buff with a clean dry towel type material. I use two towels, one
> colored or dark for applying and one clean white for removal. It takes less time to
> apply and take off than you would spend washing or waxing the vehicle.
> I know people who own GMC's that use it on their air planes, boats etc. It is a
> fantastic product. If it was not I would not take the time to tell anybody about it
> and I certainly would not use it on any of my vehicles. Chuck
>

>
> > John,
> > We apply the Auri just like we would any liquid wax on paint. Rub it on
> > (you can use the abrasives in it to polish the wheel a little more). Let
> > it dry to a haze. Wipe it off. It is pretty easy to wipe off (like most
> > of the other liquid waxes we have used). The liquid waxes do not seem as
> > touchy about drying time as the paste waxes. Any of the waxes can be used
> > to do the job in a couple of minutes a wheel. It is pretty easy (much
> > easier than polishing them all the time).
> >
> > Don't know of anything you can just spray on and let dry. Chuck Will
> > (willa) emailed me about a product called Dri Wash and Guard.
> > I'm not sure if this is a spray on application or a wax type product. I've
> > never used it myself. I think he distributes the stuff, so he would know
> > the details about it.
> >
> > Zak
> >

> > >Zak...
> > >You seem to have had the best experience with Auri, applied every two
> > >weeks. What are the application instructions... do you let it dry then
> > >polish it? Is there anything that you can spray on maybe every week and
> > >just let it dry?
> > >
> > >I know that I have no idea how good they look but...
> > >
> > >--
> > >Regards,
> > >John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
> > >(you may be able to tell I want them... but waxing every two weeks?)
> > >
> > >
 
For all you motorcycle enthusiasts out there........Simichrome is the only
stuff that will take the blue color off your exhaust pipes if you're
running a slightly lean mixture. Trust me. I've never told a lie in my
life, but I've cleaned up a lot of blued pipes.
Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
Bandon, Oregon

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gcbr [SMTP:Gcbr]
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 6:06 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: Re: GMC: Alcoa Wheels

In a message dated 11/7/98 7:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,
warner
writes:

>
> Anyone ever try German Semichrome polish on alcoa wheels? I used it for
> some years on my motorcylce engine cases when I was younger. Stuff
lasts
> and lasts. Very brilliant shine.
>

Tom

A man after my own heart. BTDT wanted to see if anybody else knew of
this stuff.

Take Care
Arch 76 GB IL
 
Arch,

Go for the 80 MM calipers, you can see a little of them through the holes
in the Alcoas :-).

Zak


>Well, folks I think I see another myth brewing. Just put in 520 miles today
>on I-57 today-----BTW saw a GMC headed south near Champaign, IL.
>
>The CB crackled near every major truck stop with wheel polishers oh
>yes tanks too. At least we don't have that problem.
>
>Now we must find a viagra for our wheels. Gosh and I thought retirement
>was going to be easy. Now its shine that defines us. That may be better
>than 3 inch exhaust-------not sure yet. Was hoping that the 455 would
>do it. Guess not. 80 MM calipers were never in the running------they don't
>show. Better quit before I make everyone mad.
>
>Take Care
>Arch
>
 
Where can one get the Simichrome. I am curious as well.
Al Chernoff

> For all you motorcycle enthusiasts out there........Simichrome is the only
> stuff that will take the blue color off your exhaust pipes if you're
> running a slightly lean mixture. Trust me. I've never told a lie in my
> life, but I've cleaned up a lot of blued pipes.
> Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
> Bandon, Oregon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gcbr [SMTP:Gcbr]
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 6:06 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: Re: GMC: Alcoa Wheels
>
> In a message dated 11/7/98 7:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,
> warner

>
> >
> > Anyone ever try German Semichrome polish on alcoa wheels? I used it for
> > some years on my motorcylce engine cases when I was younger. Stuff
> lasts
> > and lasts. Very brilliant shine.
> >
>
> Tom
>
> A man after my own heart. BTDT wanted to see if anybody else knew of
> this stuff.
>
> Take Care
> Arch 76 GB IL
 
John,

Sounds possible. I would be more likely to think that the scenario would
be reversed though. I would think the marketing people would be begging
the chemists to come up with a solution. Think of the people that want the
wheels but are afraid of the maintenance and the people that have the
wheels but would by new ones to avoid the maintenance. Once they have a
solution, there is very little marketing downside with putting the problem
out in the open.

Zak

>I'm not sure, but...
>Consider this senario, their chemists know exactly what is going on and
>how to fix it... while the marketing folks may have said, "drop-it, we
>sell more wheels if the subject is not discussed."
>
>--
>Regards,
>John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
>
>
 
Very Informative Guys,

> I would tend to think that Alcoa would offer a coating as an option if
> there were any that really worked well.

I'm not sure, but...
Consider this senario, their chemists know exactly what is going on and
how to fix it... while the marketing folks may have said, "drop-it, we
sell more wheels if the subject is not discussed."

- --
Regards,
John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
 
> Think of the people that want the wheels but are afraid of the
> maintenance and the people that have the wheels but would by new ones
> to avoid the maintenance.

...leaving a fair supply of very reasonably priced used Alcoa's for the
bargain hunters.

Hey let's send this whole thread to Alcoa

- --
Regards,
John 74 Glacier near Washington, DC.
 
Most motorcylce shops have it and it is normally advertised in sports car mags

>Where can one get the Simichrome. I am curious as well.
>Al Chernoff
>

>
>> For all you motorcycle enthusiasts out there........Simichrome is the only
>> stuff that will take the blue color off your exhaust pipes if you're
>> running a slightly lean mixture. Trust me. I've never told a lie in my
>> life, but I've cleaned up a lot of blued pipes.
>> Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
>> Bandon, Oregon
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gcbr [SMTP:Gcbr]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 6:06 PM
>> To: gmcmotorhome
>> Subject: Re: GMC: Alcoa Wheels
>>
>> In a message dated 11/7/98 7:05:12 PM Central Standard Time,
>> warner

>>
>> >
>> > Anyone ever try German Semichrome polish on alcoa wheels? I used it for
>> > some years on my motorcylce engine cases when I was younger. Stuff
>> lasts
>> > and lasts. Very brilliant shine.
>> >
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> A man after my own heart. BTDT wanted to see if anybody else knew of
>> this stuff.
>>
>> Take Care
>> Arch 76 GB IL
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
All this discussion about how to keep the Alcoas shiney makes me really
glad I decided to stay with my original 16.5" steel (radial) wheels and
cover them with stainless steel wheel liners. Maximum shine, minimum
effort, lots less money.

Dave
'76 Royale

ps: Chuck. How's about Dri-washing my GMC for demonstration purposes? (G)
 
I agreed at first but how much longer are you going to be able to get 16.5"
tires in load range E? I don't want to have a tire problem somewhere and
not be able to get a replacement. Than you have a real problem.

>All this discussion about how to keep the Alcoas shiney makes me really
>glad I decided to stay with my original 16.5" steel (radial) wheels and
>cover them with stainless steel wheel liners. Maximum shine, minimum
>effort, lots less money.
>
>Dave
>'76 Royale
>
>ps: Chuck. How's about Dri-washing my GMC for demonstration purposes? (G)
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach