Air tabs to reduce drag??

Keith,
That is what I Paid for it minus shipping and minus the mounting
modification I made to it.

>
>
> Well I was the one who asked, but I am still cash poor, so I'll miss out  guess
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Oops. I meant for that to be off-net. Sorry.

> Keith,
>  That is what I Paid for it minus shipping and minus the mounting
> modification I made to it.
>

>>
>>
>> Well I was the one who asked, but I am still cash poor, so I'll miss out  guess
>> --
>> Keith
>> 69 Vette
>> 29 Dodge
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>
>
> --
> Steve Ferguson
> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
> Urethane bushing source
> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
>

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Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
 
At least Y'All didn't send the letter for your fiancée to you mother, as I
once did. :-(

Ken H.

-----Original Message-----
Steve said,
"Oops. I meant for that to be off-net. Sorry."

Steve.
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I did that same thing two weeks ago.
Charles
 
I definitely want it. See you at Pueblo.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Steven Ferguson wrote:

> George,
> I will deliver it to the first person who commits to buy it for
> $250.00 That is well below what they sell for new, that is what I
> paid for it.
> Reply off net please
>

> > Steve, I would like to buy the spoiler from you at Pueblo. George Ciz
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Steven Ferguson >wrote:
> >
> >> No. Someone asked about the largest spoiler available out there and I
> >> used Fred's coach to show the one I have for sale. I never looked at
> >> the two posters he had attached to his access panels. I should have
> >> known that was Fred's coach since I was parked next to him at Santa
> >> Rosa for a while.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher

> >> > yiikkkkeeesss
> >> >
> >> > is Fred getting out of the game?
> >> > oh no say it isn't so
> >> >
> >> > gene
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Says Fred Hudspeth on the poster.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> >> > “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> >> > -------
> >> > http://bdub.net/gmcmotorhome.info/
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>
I have no idea whether GM actually put a full size GMC motorhome in a wind tunnel, but scale models may have been tested at various points in the vehicles design.

The GMC certainaly has an aerodynamic look about it, so at least creating the impression it slips through the air with ease(compared to other motorhomes of the period) was on the designers minds.

I actually am a qualified vehicle stylist BTW, and over the years have worked for Rover, Chrysler UK, various UK sedan racing teams and lastly as a specialised and promotional vehicle designer for a GM Canada Tier 1 supplier.

Wayne
>
>

A full size GMC MH was Not used in the Aero evaluation of the GMCs styling. A 1/16th scale model was used at the California Guggenheim wind tunnel facility.

The link below shows a model that used the same mold as was used for the wind tunnel model.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=1621
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erhaps if we add more taper to the rear? Hmmmm..... what could be used as a toad that would add taper back there without weighing too much?
Toyota had that van that sort of mimicked a GMC in shape......
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Where it rains, always.

It's wet, No sun, Gray.
Go to Oregon.
 
Wayne,
Your reasoning is correct. I would prefer the better handling than the
milage.

>
>

> > You can lower th front and raise the rear
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Wayne Barratt

> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Legitamate ways to reduce drag on a GMC Motorhome.
> > >
> > > Install a front spoiler or air dam, the largest you can find that will
> > > still give you adequate ground clearance. This will reduce airflow
> under the
> > > vehicle which would otherwise swirl around on components that hang down
> > > under the vehicle causing drag. Some sort of undertray or belly pan may
> also
> > > help with this problem.
> > > Nascar race cars even haved smoothed and boxed lower A arms on there
> > > suspension to lower underbody drag.
> > >
> > > Reducing frontal area of the vehicle would also help, fitting the
> smallest
> > > mirrors you could comfortably see out of and removing all the ladder,
> A/C
> > > roof boxes would also help.
> > >
> > > Fitting flush wheel covers would work also.
> > >
> > > Doing all of the above would undoubtedly lower the Cd of the motorhome
> and
> > > give slightly better MPG,but at the expense of Comfort (no roof AC)
> > > Convenience (no roof pod) Safety (small mirrors) Ground clearance
> (spoiler)
> > > --
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>
> Hi Jim,
> I know lowering the front and raising the rear of a sedan or hatch back has
> been proven to reduce drag on production based race cars (like mine), but I
> am unsure how it would pan out on a vehicle with a very long roof like the
> GMC motorhome.
>
> My own feeling is whilst lowering the front would obviously limit the
> amount of air passing under the vehicle (lessening drag) the subsiquent
> raising of the rear as a result would expose more of the roof section
> increasing the total frontal area increasing drag.
>
> Also I suppose lowering the front would screw up the ground clearance and
> geometry of the suspension , increasing castor angle (making the steering
> more resistant to turn when the vehicle is in motion) and increasing
> negative camber scrubbing the inner edge of the front tyres out prematurely.
>
> I have no idea whether GM actually put a full size GMC motorhome in a wind
> tunnel, but scale models may have been tested at various points in the
> vehicles design.
>
> The GMC certainaly has an aerodynamic look about it, so at least creating
> the impression it slips through the air with ease(compared to other
> motorhomes of the period) was on the designers minds.
>
> Wayne
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If you need more front spoilers. go to our site. I know Steves price will be
better.
The picture is of Fred Hudspeth's coach.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Steven Ferguson wrote:

> The one I have for sale.
> Here is a pic:
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=30627
> I don't know whose coach that is but it is nice and thanks for the use.
>

> >
> >
> > What is the biggest best air dam available these days?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Keith
> > 69 Vette
> > 29 Dodge
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>
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> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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George,
Another purchaser answered up at 10:45 AM. Sorry but fortunately,
new ones are still available.

> I definitely want it.  See you at Pueblo.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Steven Ferguson wrote:
>
>> George,
>>  I will deliver it to the first person who commits to buy it for
>> $250.00  That is well below what they sell for new, that is what I
>> paid for it.
>> Reply off net please
>>

>> > Steve, I would like to buy the spoiler from you at Pueblo.  George Ciz
>> >
>> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Steven Ferguson > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> No.  Someone asked about the largest spoiler available out there and I
>> >> used Fred's coach to show the one I have for sale.  I never looked at
>> >> the two posters he had attached to his access panels.  I should have
>> >> known that was Fred's coach since I was parked next to him at Santa
>> >> Rosa for a while.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher

>> >> > yiikkkkeeesss
>> >> >
>> >> > is Fred getting out of the game?
>> >> > oh no say it isn't so
>> >> >
>> >> > gene
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Says Fred Hudspeth on the poster.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>> >> > “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>> >> > -------
>> >> > http://bdub.net/gmcmotorhome.info/
>> >> > Alternator Protection Cable
>> >> > http://bdub.net/gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > GMCnet mailing list
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>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Steve Ferguson
>> >> '76 EII
>> >> Sierra Vista, AZ
>> >> Urethane bushing source
>> >> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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>>
>>
>>
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>> '76 EII
>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>> Urethane bushing source
>> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
 
Gene,

'Still in the game - and plan to stay in. 'Pleased that Steve chose to use
our machine to demo his spoiler... Alex Sirum supplied ours for the Royale
re-man project in '06-'07.

Fred Hudspeth
'78 Royale - Tyler, TX
'82 Airstream 28' Excella Motorhome - Anchorage, AK

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher

>> >> > yiikkkkeeesss
>> >> >
>> >> > is Fred getting out of the game?
>> >> > oh no say it isn't so
>> >> >
>> >> > gene
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Says Fred Hudspeth on the poster.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>> >> > ?Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL
>> >> > and
 
I'm new to the list so pardon me if some of what I type is redundant.
The discussion on aero drag is interesting.  Reminds me of what an aero guy at GM once told me:  "Spend 50% of your effort from the front wheels forward.  Spend another 50% from the front wheels to the windshield header.  Spend the last 50% from there back."  To adjust that for the Motorhome it would read:  "spend 100% of your time on the front wheels forward and 50% from there back.  Adds up to more than 100%?  Yup, that seems to be the way it is.  Another lister suggested that he wasn't going to bother with improvements that only netted 1/4 mpg as he was looking for 2 mpg.  Sorry, but going after one little change after another seems to be the only way to get there.  For instance, the automotive OEM's have worked and worked on the shape of the mirrors, probably gaining less than 1% - but they still did it.  Should the back be tapered?  Probably, but at what cost and what benefit.  Certainly, if you are going to pull a trailer make sure
it aerodynamically "blends" with the tow vehicle.  It will reduce the drag of the tow vehicle, but the total drag will still be higher than without a trailer.  I'm going to spend my first effort on the front below the beltline - mostly improving the flow in an out of the radiator.

Gary Casey 

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From: Mitch
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Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 3:31:32 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Air tabs to reduce drag??

erhaps if we add more taper to the rear? Hmmmm..... what could be used as a toad that would add taper back there without weighing too much?
Toyota had that van that sort of mimicked a GMC in shape......
--
Mitch
Tacoma, Wa.
'80 Spitfire
'03 Windstar
X(very)PB 26 "The Beast"
Where it rains, always.

It's wet, No sun, Gray.
Go to Oregon.
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On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 09:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Gary Casey
writes:
> I'm new to the list so pardon me if some of what I type is
> redundant.
Snip.......

I'm going to spend my first effort on the
> front below the beltline - mostly improving the flow in an out of
> the radiator.
>
> Gary Casey
>
>
>
Welcome to the GMC Net, Gary. All ideas (and photos) are welcomed here.

David Lee Greenberg
Port St Lucie, FL
Dedicated to the Preservation of the Classic GMC Motorhome
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