Air Suspension Update - new compressor options

richard guthart

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I am passing on this info in hopes that it will help someone who's air
suspension needs work.

Those who are looking to update the air suspension may wish to consider a
Thomas air compressor, model 317 or 315.

Last fall I started searching for a replacement for my tired old Dana, which
took more than a minute to pump from 0 psi to 120psi (wouldn't do it at all
at ambient air temperatures of below 30 degrees.)

I discovered that Thomas makes two that were possibilities: Model
317cdc56/12 (rated to 150psi) and 315cdc45/12 (130psi).

In December I installed the 317 model. Fits in the same space as the O.E.
Dana, MUCH quieter, and pressurizes my air tank from 0 psi to
120 psi in under 10 seconds. Cycling from 100 psi to 120 psi takes 4
seconds.

One other note.... It probably could be wired into the O.E. wiring harness,
as it draws a maximum of 18 amps after start-up transient, but since it is a
long run from under the kitchen module, where the compressor sits in my
coach, to the O.E. 35 amp breaker behind the glovebox, I installed a relay
protected by a 30 amp slow-blow fuse instead.

Now that I have installed the 317, I think the 315 would also suffice and
provide a cost savings. I paid $200 for the 317 and could have bought the
315 for $165. My local distributor indicated that in repeat order quantities
of 3+ the 315 would be $132 each.

Specs are here on the Thomas web site:
http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/317.pdf and
http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/315.pdf

I would post a picture of the installation but I do not own a digital
camera.

Richard Guthart
 
Richard.....for some reason I was unable to pull up the Thomaspumps
website so could you tell me if the 315/317 models are piston type or
rotary....I would like to change to a good rotary pump to eliminate some
of that piston pump racket.

Terry
75 Avion
Baton Rouge

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I am passing on this info in hopes that it will help someone who's air
suspension needs work.

Those who are looking to update the air suspension may wish to consider a
Thomas air compressor, model 317 or 315.

Last fall I started searching for a replacement for my tired old Dana, which
took more than a minute to pump from 0 psi to 120psi (wouldn't do it at all
at ambient air temperatures of below 30 degrees.)

I discovered that Thomas makes two that were possibilities: Model
317cdc56/12 (rated to 150psi) and 315cdc45/12 (130psi).

In December I installed the 317 model. Fits in the same space as the O.E.
Dana, MUCH quieter, and pressurizes my air tank from 0 psi to
120 psi in under 10 seconds. Cycling from 100 psi to 120 psi takes 4
seconds.

One other note.... It probably could be wired into the O.E. wiring harness,
as it draws a maximum of 18 amps after start-up transient, but since it is a
long run from under the kitchen module, where the compressor sits in my
coach, to the O.E. 35 amp breaker behind the glovebox, I installed a relay
protected by a 30 amp slow-blow fuse instead.

Now that I have installed the 317, I think the 315 would also suffice and
provide a cost savings. I paid $200 for the 317 and could have bought the
315 for $165. My local distributor indicated that in repeat order quantities
of 3+ the 315 would be $132 each.

Specs are here on the Thomas web site:
http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/317.pdf and
http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/315.pdf

I would post a picture of the installation but I do not own a digital
camera.

Richard Guthart

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Manny, many thanks for the tip....had no trouble pulling it up this
time.

Noticed that the output in PSI on their rotary pumps is very low....is
it not possible to get a small high output 12 volt rotary pump?

terry
75 Avion
Baton Rouge

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In a message dated 1/21/99 8:03:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, LA-HOGS=
.net
writes:


Terry, try www.thomaspumps.com
Look at the
Oil-less WOB-L=AE and Miniature Piston Air Compressors and Vacuum Pumps

Manny 73 Custom/ex-Glacier

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Remember that the output is based on displacement for each complete
stroke of the compressor along with a few other factors. Most of the
12vdc unit have fairly small pistons and run fairly fast.

J.R. Wright

> =

> Manny, many thanks for the tip....had no trouble pulling it up this
> time.
> =

> Noticed that the output in PSI on their rotary pumps is very low....is
> it not possible to get a small high output 12 volt rotary pump?
> =

> terry
> 75 Avion
> Baton Rouge
> =

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> Subject: Re: GMC: Air Suspension Update - new compressor options
> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:09:23 EST
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> To: gmcmotorhome
> =

> In a message dated 1/21/99 8:03:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, LA-HOGS=
btv.net

>
> =

> Terry, try www.thomaspumps.com
> Look at the
> Oil-less WOB-L=AE and Miniature Piston Air Compressors and Vacuum Pumps=

> =

> Manny 73 Custom/ex-Glacier
 
Hi all

I see from the 315 data sheet that it will also operate as a vacuum pump (up
to 20"). With a single electric selector valve it can be connected to
operate as both a compressor and an emergency vacuum pump.

---------
| filter |
--------
|
-----C-----
| |
----------|A S B|-----------
P=Pump
| ------------ |
S=Selector Valve (C normally connected to A)
| |
| ------- |
|------in| P |out---------------|
| ------- |
| |
^ CheckValve V CheckValve
| |
Vacuum Air
Tank Tank

In normal conditions (compressor, Selector valve has port A connected to C
and port B closed) the selector valve connects the input to the filter, no
air will flow from the vacuum tank because it is easier to come through the
filter. The output cannot go out the selector valve because port B is
closed so it must go into the air tank.

I emergency mode (vacuum pump) the selector valve connects port B to C and
closes port A. The input of the pump cannot get air through the filter so
it sucks out of the vacuum tank. The output will not go into the air tank
because it is easier to go out the filter.

The selector valve could be replaced by 1 normally open and 1 normally
closed solenoid valves. These would probably be easier to get then the
selector valve
---------
| filter |
--------
|
|
-----NO------|-----NC---------
| |
NO=normally open solenoid valve
| |
NC=normally closed solenoid valve

If anyone is interested I will do a proper drawing of the plumbing and
controls and send it someone with a web page. Sorry I don't have any
control valve part numbers at this time.

Dave Mumert
dmumert

Still searching for a good GMC
 
>Hi all
>
>I see from the 315 data sheet that it will also operate as a vacuum pump (up
>to 20"). With a single electric selector valve it can be connected to
>operate as both a compressor and an emergency vacuum pump.

Thanks for the info Dave.

This might be a good way to killl 2 birds with one stone. Do you guys
think this little pump could handle the emergency vacumn booster needs for
the brake system? Gene?

bdub
'76 Palm Beach
In The Heart o Texas
www.web-access.net/~bmassey/
icq # 202333
 
The following data was copied from the pdf file on:
:http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/317.pdf (You must have
Acrobat reader installed to bring the pages up)

>From the features listed, they must be piston pumps. It
also states that they are intermittent use .. the "315" page
states 3 min on - 20 min off???

317CDC56/12
FEATURES:
1/4-18 NPT
1/4-18 NPT
 Oil-less design
 Die-cast aluminum components
 Steel mounting brackets with vibration isolators
 Stainless steel valves
 Built-in check valve
 Durable piston ring
 Inlet unloader
 Two stage inlet filter
 Thermally protected motor
 Dust and moisture resistant
 Intermittent duty only
 All wetted aluminum parts treated for corrosion
protection from moisture
 All other wetted parts stainless steel
 Sealed electrical leads

MODEL NUMBER: 317CDC56/12 317DCD56/24
HEAD CONFIGURATION: Pressure/Vacuum Pressure/Vacuum
STROKE: .560 Inches .560 Inches
PRESSURE: Flow @ 12v Flow @ 24v
CFM @ PSI LPM @ bar
317CDC56/12 317CDC56/24
PSI bar CFM LPM CFM LPM
0 0 1.12 31.7 1.14 32.3
5 .5 1.06 30.0 1.08 30.1
10 1.0 1.02 27.9 1.04 28.4
15 1.5 .98 26.3 1.00 26.9
20 2.0 .94 25.1 .96 25.7
25 3.0 .91 22.6 .93 23.2
30 5.0 .88 18.7 .90 18.5
35 7.0 .85 15.7 .87 15.4
40 .82 .84
50 .76 .78
60 .70 .72
70 .67 .67
80 .63 .61
90 .60 .58
100 .56 .55
110 .52 .51
120 .48 .47
130 .46 .45
140 .43 .42
150 .40 .39
MAX. INTERMITTENT PRESSURE: 150 PSI 10.3 bar 150 PSI 10.3

HR in Indy 77PB
9675.0203
 
Now this combo has possibilities IMHO... all we need are some part #s &
sources for the switches!! I love the creative minds at work here, whether
they're GMC owners or wannabees.

>>>______________________________________________________
From: "Dave Mumert"

I see from the 315 data sheet that it will also operate as a vacuum pump (up
to 20"). With a single electric selector valve it can be connected to
operate as both a compressor and an emergency vacuum pump.


As always, best regards.

~ Ritch & Betty Hwang ~ Clarkston, MI ~ mailto:rhwang
Visit our home page ~ http://www.concentric.net/~rhwang/
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~ 76 GMC Birchaven ~ FMCA F249339 ~ RVClub 00930 ~ ICQ# 6408591~
(B}>
 
The first thought of using a single unit to provide air to the air ride
system and to act a a emergency vacuum pump sounds great, but as a
Instrument System Design Engineer I have reservations. Someone posted a
basic design for doing this very thing. As I remember (correct if
wrong) that this required a manual valve to switch the function and I am
unsure if the there was a vacuum pressure switch in the control loop.
Although this sounds great the cost and complexity of such a system
along with possible maintenance requirements is probably more that most
of you would want to put up with. How many of you would remember to
switch the system to vacuum or would have time to in an emergency? The
cost of the emergency vacuum compressor (anything more than this is
probably overkill) from most wrecking yards is under 25 dollars (that
what I have) and unless you really feel that you must have a new one at
over 150 or more dollars. I try to use the K.I.S.S. principle when
designing and before anyone ask, K.I.S.S. stands for "Keep It Simple
Stupid!". Don't get me wrong it can be done, but it would be expensive.
Last comment is about the Thomas 315 compressor. I looked at the date
sheet and the Thomas Model 315 compressor can pull a 20" vacuum but I
suspect that its volume requirements would not be sufficient for short
term quick pump down.

J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
77 Eleganza II
Michigan

>

> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > I see from the Thomas 315 data sheet that it will also operate as a vacuum pump (up
> > to 20"). With a single electric selector valve it can be connected to
> > operate as both a compressor and an emergency vacuum pump......
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm a couple of days late picking up on this thread. Are you saying
> that the Thomas vacuum / compressor pump has the capacity to power
> booster for the brakes on our GMCs? Has anyone done this installation
> sucessfully? If this is feasible it sure sounds like a good way to
> upgrade the air suspension system while providing emergency braking back
> up at the same time. I want to do both.
>
> Phil Stewart
> '76 Transmode, TN
 
>
> Hi all
>
> I see from the Thomas 315 data sheet that it will also operate as a vacuum pump (up
> to 20"). With a single electric selector valve it can be connected to
> operate as both a compressor and an emergency vacuum pump......

Dave,

I'm a couple of days late picking up on this thread. Are you saying
that the Thomas vacuum / compressor pump has the capacity to power
booster for the brakes on our GMCs? Has anyone done this installation
sucessfully? If this is feasible it sure sounds like a good way to
upgrade the air suspension system while providing emergency braking back
up at the same time. I want to do both.

Phil Stewart
'76 Transmode, TN
 
Richard and everyone else: I have done some additional research into this
product and will fill you in on the results.
The 315 model is not a continuous duty pump which is good for us. It is
designed to run on a cycle of 5 minutes on and 20 minutes off or less. So the
run time of 20 seconds on and 5 minutes off is well within its limits. It has a
maximum output of 130 psi but will do more if needed. The million dollar
question. Yes, this pump can be retrofitted to do both vacuum and pressure as
long as there is some type of gate valve or solenoid switch to separate the two
uses. A simple modification for this group A switch on the dash and a solenoid
valve on a line and voila instant emergency vacuum pump. The price that Richard
quoted for 3 or more should be for more than 3. The price also gets a lot
cheaper for quantities of 10 or more. The dimensions of this pump are 8.75"
length, 6.29" height and 4" width. The pump has a run power req. of 16.5 amps.
The 317 model has two major differences. It is designed as a continuous duty
pump and will put out 150 psi. It also runs on 20 amps but is also rated to need
up to 90 amps as a surge load on startup.
I think that it would be a good replacement for the OEM pump and I am trying
to garner some interest here, as I would like to replace mine. If I can save
some money doing it then great.
It would be a simple matter to replace the OEM power lead to the compressor
by tying it into the fuse panel which in my case is located in the same
compartment. Darren Any other takers? We need to order them all
at the same time.

> I am passing on this info in hopes that it will help someone who's air
> suspension needs work.
>
> Those who are looking to update the air suspension may wish to consider a
> Thomas air compressor, model 317 or 315.
>
> Last fall I started searching for a replacement for my tired old Dana, which
> took more than a minute to pump from 0 psi to 120psi (wouldn't do it at all
> at ambient air temperatures of below 30 degrees.)
>
> I discovered that Thomas makes two that were possibilities: Model
> 317cdc56/12 (rated to 150psi) and 315cdc45/12 (130psi).
>
> In December I installed the 317 model. Fits in the same space as the O.E.
> Dana, MUCH quieter, and pressurizes my air tank from 0 psi to
> 120 psi in under 10 seconds. Cycling from 100 psi to 120 psi takes 4
> seconds.
>
> One other note.... It probably could be wired into the O.E. wiring harness,
> as it draws a maximum of 18 amps after start-up transient, but since it is a
> long run from under the kitchen module, where the compressor sits in my
> coach, to the O.E. 35 amp breaker behind the glovebox, I installed a relay
> protected by a 30 amp slow-blow fuse instead.
>
> Now that I have installed the 317, I think the 315 would also suffice and
> provide a cost savings. I paid $200 for the 317 and could have bought the
> 315 for $165. My local distributor indicated that in repeat order quantities
> of 3+ the 315 would be $132 each.
>
> Specs are here on the Thomas web site:
> http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/317.pdf and
> http://www.thomaspumps.com/pdf/315.pdf
>
> I would post a picture of the installation but I do not own a digital
> camera.
>
> Richard Guthart
 
Hi Darren

Why not have the vacuum control switch the solenoid as well as start the
pump? The vacuum control switch could switch the pump from a compressor to
a vacuum pump and also change the valve. It could easily be wired so the
vacuum function had priority over the compressor.

If the pump is compressing and additional vacuum is required it would
instantly and automatically switch to vacuum mode. When the vacuum is back
to normal it would instantly and automatically switch back to compressor
mode. The switching can be done with a single 3 way valve or dual 2 way
valves (On/Off). These valves could be normally open or normally closed
(normally open would be best).

The entire control system would requires
2 solenoid valves ( or a single 3 way valve)
1 pressure switch
1 vacuum switch
2 relays (double pole)\
1 pump/compressor
1 circuit breaker

Using 2 pumps requires
1 pressure switch
1 vacuum switch
2 relays (single pole)
1 pump
1 compressor
2 circuit breakers (1 per pump)

Again if anyone is interested and volunteers a web site I will do a proper
drawing and get it posted.
Dave Mumert
dmumert
 
I talked with the distributor and he thought it would be a simple retro. I am
not sure of the engineering involved and your system might work. The simpler
the better probably as it would only need to be used in vacuum mode only as an
emergency. Darren

> Hi Darren
>
> Why not have the vacuum control switch the solenoid as well as start the
> pump? The vacuum control switch could switch the pump from a compressor to
> a vacuum pump and also change the valve. It could easily be wired so the
> vacuum function had priority over the compressor.
>
> If the pump is compressing and additional vacuum is required it would
> instantly and automatically switch to vacuum mode. When the vacuum is back
> to normal it would instantly and automatically switch back to compressor
> mode. The switching can be done with a single 3 way valve or dual 2 way
> valves (On/Off). These valves could be normally open or normally closed
> (normally open would be best).
>
> The entire control system would requires
> 2 solenoid valves ( or a single 3 way valve)
> 1 pressure switch
> 1 vacuum switch
> 2 relays (double pole)\
> 1 pump/compressor
> 1 circuit breaker
>
> Using 2 pumps requires
> 1 pressure switch
> 1 vacuum switch
> 2 relays (single pole)
> 1 pump
> 1 compressor
> 2 circuit breakers (1 per pump)
>
> Again if anyone is interested and volunteers a web site I will do a proper
> drawing and get it posted.
> Dave Mumert
> dmumert
 
According to the company which makes the pump the biggest problem faced in
using it as dual duty is to filter the air. When used as a compressor the air
can be filtered in the conventional way. That is, the way we all do it now. As
a vacuum the inlet air has to be filtered. This is the reasoning behind the
solenoid valve. To gate the inlet air through a filter. This can not be a dual
duty filter. The restriction is too much to allow the compressor to get enough
air as a draw. Therefor you should not restrict inlet air in compressor mode. I
think it is important to remember that this is an emergency backup vacuum pump,
not continuous. I am positive this can be accomplished.
As an alternative to the Dana compressor, the Thomas pump is significantly
quieter. This on its own is a good enough reason for me to change. It is also
faster to pump up to pressure, and its side benefit as a vacuum supplement just
tops everything off. The price is right too. Darren

> Hi Darren
>
> Why not have the vacuum control switch the solenoid as well as start the
> pump? The vacuum control switch could switch the pump from a compressor to
> a vacuum pump and also change the valve. It could easily be wired so the
> vacuum function had priority over the compressor.
>
> If the pump is compressing and additional vacuum is required it would
> instantly and automatically switch to vacuum mode. When the vacuum is back
> to normal it would instantly and automatically switch back to compressor
> mode. The switching can be done with a single 3 way valve or dual 2 way
> valves (On/Off). These valves could be normally open or normally closed
> (normally open would be best).
>
> The entire control system would requires
> 2 solenoid valves ( or a single 3 way valve)
> 1 pressure switch
> 1 vacuum switch
> 2 relays (double pole)\
> 1 pump/compressor
> 1 circuit breaker
>
> Using 2 pumps requires
> 1 pressure switch
> 1 vacuum switch
> 2 relays (single pole)
> 1 pump
> 1 compressor
> 2 circuit breakers (1 per pump)
>
> Again if anyone is interested and volunteers a web site I will do a proper
> drawing and get it posted.
> Dave Mumert
> dmumert
 
>A couple of years ago I bought a Thomas 315CDC40/12......

Mike,

If I were to consider one of the 315 series compressors I would go with
the 315CDC45/12, which is a slightly longer stroke version of the one
that was available when you were shopping a few years ago.

For everyone's convenience here's a comparison of Mike's 315CDC40/12
with the current models 315CDC45/12 and 317CDC56/12:

(View table with monospaced font to make columns line up.)

CFM:

psi cfm-315cdc40/12 cfm-315cdc45/12 cfm-317cdc56/12

0 1.04 1.13
1.12
100 0.41 0.51
0.56
120 0.32 0.43
0.48

horse pwr. 1/6 1/5
1/5
current at load 16.5 amps 18.5 amps
20.0 amps

By the way, while the spec sheet on the 317 indicates that it would draw
a maximum of 20 amps at rated load (i.e. when pumping into 150psi
backpressure), the plate on the motor itself says 18 amps. In any case,
a 30 amp fuse (or breaker) of the type designed to handle a motor's
start-up surge is adequate.

Richard

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From: Priceml
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Friday, January 29, 1999 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: Air Suspension Update - new compressor options
 
This is a repost, second attempt to give you columns that line up.

>A couple of years ago I bought a Thomas 315CDC40/12......

Mike,

If I were to consider one of the 315 series compressors I would go with
the 315CDC45/12, which is a slightly longer stroke version of the one
that was available when you were shopping a few years ago.

For everyone's convenience here's a comparison of Mike's 315CDC40/12
with the current models 315CDC45/12 and 317CDC56/12:

(View table with monospaced font to make columns line up.)

CFM:

psi cfm-315cdc40/12 cfm-315cdc45/12 cfm-317cdc56/12

0 1.04 1.13
1.12
100 0.41 0.51
0.56
120 0.32 0.43
0.48

horse pwr. 1/6 1/5
1/5
current 16.5 amps 18.5 amps 20.0 amps

By the way, while the spec sheet on the 317 indicates that it would draw
a maximum of 20 amps at rated load (i.e. when pumping into 150psi
backpressure), the plate on the motor itself says 18 amps. In any case,
a 30 amp fuse (or breaker) of the type designed to handle a motor's
start-up surge is adequate.

Richard
 
Oops. Data is supposed to look like this:

> 0 1.04 1.13 1.12
>100 0.41 0.51 0.56
>120 0.32 0.43 0.48
>
>horse pwr. 1/6 1/5 1/5
>amps 16.5 18.5 20.0
>
Richard
 
The question was asked earlier but I don't remember seeing an answer.
Will the compressor generate the volume of vacuum (if that makes sense)
sufficient to operate the brakes? The primary requirements of the pump,
to generate a little bit of air under high pressure, is quite different
than the large volume of air at low pressure drop required for the brake
booster. The booster has a large surface area and moves a significant
distance therefore requiring large volume.

Ted Schurman
73 Glacier VA

>
> According to the company which makes the pump the biggest problem faced in
> using it as dual duty is to filter the air. When used as a compressor the air
> can be filtered in the conventional way. That is, the way we all do it now. As
> a vacuum the inlet air has to be filtered. This is the reasoning behind the
> solenoid valve. To gate the inlet air through a filter. This can not be a dual
> duty filter. The restriction is too much to allow the compressor to get enough
> air as a draw. Therefor you should not restrict inlet air in compressor mode. I
> think it is important to remember that this is an emergency backup vacuum pump,
> not continuous. I am positive this can be accomplished.
> As an alternative to the Dana compressor, the Thomas pump is significantly
> quieter. This on its own is a good enough reason for me to change. It is also
> faster to pump up to pressure, and its side benefit as a vacuum supplement just
> tops everything off. The price is right too. Darren
>

>
> > Hi Darren
> >
> > Why not have the vacuum control switch the solenoid as well as start the
> > pump? The vacuum control switch could switch the pump from a compressor to
> > a vacuum pump and also change the valve. It could easily be wired so the
> > vacuum function had priority over the compressor.
> >
> > If the pump is compressing and additional vacuum is required it would
> > instantly and automatically switch to vacuum mode. When the vacuum is back
> > to normal it would instantly and automatically switch back to compressor
> > mode. The switching can be done with a single 3 way valve or dual 2 way
> > valves (On/Off). These valves could be normally open or normally closed
> > (normally open would be best).
> >
> > The entire control system would requires
> > 2 solenoid valves ( or a single 3 way valve)
> > 1 pressure switch
> > 1 vacuum switch
> > 2 relays (double pole)\
> > 1 pump/compressor
> > 1 circuit breaker
> >
> > Using 2 pumps requires
> > 1 pressure switch
> > 1 vacuum switch
> > 2 relays (single pole)
> > 1 pump
> > 1 compressor
> > 2 circuit breakers (1 per pump)
> >
> > Again if anyone is interested and volunteers a web site I will do a proper
> > drawing and get it posted.
> > Dave Mumert
> > dmumert
 
> As an alternative to the Dana compressor, the Thomas pump is significantly
> quieter. This on its own is a good enough reason for me to change. It is also
> faster to pump up to pressure, and its side benefit as a vacuum supplement just
> tops everything off. The price is right too. Darren
>

This discussion on the merits of the Thomas 315 pump begins to sound
persuasive. A couple of questions do come to mind:

1. Can the Thomas be mounted in the engine compartment where it will be
exposed to water from road spray, rain, etc.? The Dana can handle that
problem.

2. How does the Thomas peformance compare with a Dana which has been
fitted with the poppet valve upgrade discussed on this list a while
back. Comparison of the pump up time from 0 psi to 120 and cycle time
from 100 psi to 120 utilizing the standard size air tank would help us
see if we are talking apples to apples or something else.

Does anyone have any feed back on this?

Phil Stewart
'76 Transmode, TN