A Few Questions

al chernoff

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For those of us not on the east coast, Tom Bradley of Chandler AZ is a good source
for replacement of the ceiling or the side panels. He and I did mine and put in a
dropped ceiling. Great job. He can be reached at (480) 814-1631. You should see
his coach, it is fantastic.
al

> Bob
>
> The cracks in the headliners, front and rear can be fixed, but you might want to
> have a professional do it, unless you are very handy. The ceiling will probably
> have to be re-done. Again, if you are very handy, you can do it, or have it
> done for $1500 - 2000 depending on what you want. When you start on the
> ceiling, plan to do the sidewalls, refinsh the window trim and the headliners
> all at the same time. I did my own, but I had a lot of help in planning and
> more time than money (and it did take some time).
>
> Check the brakes for rust and caliper working. Check the frame for deep rust.
> Do the airbags hold air and does the air pump work? Check the net for the check
> list
>
> The pipe hanging down in the back is the sewer dump and usually is held up with
> a rubber strap. Several people have added helper wheels to the rear. If you go
> this route, use very heavy duty steel casters. But, before you go to this
> trouble, see if the "raise" works on the air bags. This might be enough to get
> you over the dip going into your drive.
>
> Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia, Md
>

>
> > Hello All,
> > I have been looking at GMC's in the greater Sacramento area for about 7
> > months. Today I found one with some real potential and a reasonable price.
> > But, I have some questions. First, it is a 77 Kingsley but it has a 403
> > engine; I thought the 455's were standard until 78. Second, the engine was
> > rebuilt in 93 (saw the receipt) but has only 3000 miles on it so it has been
> > sitting. The owner said it has sat for at least 3 years. It started right
> > up and ran very smooth; any advice as to what to look for in a coach that
> > has sat for a while? Next, he said the headliner has been replaced. It was
> > done with a felt like material with "insulation as the backing". Looks nice
> > but is "bulging" down in places (closet door hits the light e.g.). Feels
> > like the liner and "insulation" have come loose. Any idea as to how hard
> > this is to fix? Next, some cracks in the plastic above the front windshield
> > and above the windows by the back bed. Are these fixable. The back seats
> > make into a bed but they look short. I'm 6 foot, will I fit or do I have to
> > re-do it? Last, there is a 2" or so plastic pipe in the back under the
> > bumper; it swivels easily. He says it's to drain the holding tank. It is
> > very low to the ground and I have a steep driveway. It's going to hit, can
> > it be rerouted; can I put skids or wheels on the frame to help with the
> > driveway?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for all your help and thanks for all I have learned over
> > the past months while lurking.
> > Bob Schoner
> > Sacramento
 
Hello All,
I have been looking at GMC's in the greater Sacramento area for about 7
months. Today I found one with some real potential and a reasonable price.
But, I have some questions. First, it is a 77 Kingsley but it has a 403
engine; I thought the 455's were standard until 78. Second, the engine was
rebuilt in 93 (saw the receipt) but has only 3000 miles on it so it has been
sitting. The owner said it has sat for at least 3 years. It started right
up and ran very smooth; any advice as to what to look for in a coach that
has sat for a while? Next, he said the headliner has been replaced. It was
done with a felt like material with "insulation as the backing". Looks nice
but is "bulging" down in places (closet door hits the light e.g.). Feels
like the liner and "insulation" have come loose. Any idea as to how hard
this is to fix? Next, some cracks in the plastic above the front windshield
and above the windows by the back bed. Are these fixable. The back seats
make into a bed but they look short. I'm 6 foot, will I fit or do I have to
re-do it? Last, there is a 2" or so plastic pipe in the back under the
bumper; it swivels easily. He says it's to drain the holding tank. It is
very low to the ground and I have a steep driveway. It's going to hit, can
it be rerouted; can I put skids or wheels on the frame to help with the
driveway?

Thanks in advance for all your help and thanks for all I have learned over
the past months while lurking.
Bob Schoner
Sacramento
 
1) I think 403 started in 77.
2) When sitting, expect seals to sag/shrink a bit. I have usually found that if
the motor, tranny, etc were stored right and in good condition they will swell
and all is usually okay. Change oil, be ready to change fuel filter and drain
crud from gas tank.
3) Headliner with "insulation" backing sounds like felt with a foam backing.
When the seperation starts, it is hard to stop. Several posts here in the past
about what to use. Bottom line, it wont look good and will keep happening. Jim
Bounds charges $1000 for front to back headliner and Alex Sirum about $1200 and
it looks really nice. My headliner is the older fiberboard. I am going to do
mine myself using H track on the transverse beams, 1/8" Luan covered with hull
liner material used on yachts. (dont forget to repair leaks!).A lot of work if
you want to fix it right but well worth it and should last a long time.
4) Plastic cracks can be a bear. I repaired some cracks in the cockpit
headliner using sheet metal and a special epoxy my friend gave me. I smothed
over with bondo and had the whole thing covered with headliner material. Paid
too much, Jim Bounds would have done it for a lot less. Be very careful with
both pieces. According to Alex Sirum, they cant get any more. I am thinking of
building a fiberglass replacement someday with a built in stereo, sunglass
holder, etc. overhead and maybe selling them. (Please someone steal my idea so I
dont have to do it!)
5) I am 6'3. Putting in a full size mattress in the back. It will be short but
I can live with it. Practiced on the mattress in the house. Too darned cold
out there.
6) I am putting in a macerator pump and eliminating the drain hose. There was
some discussion about skid wheels a few months ago....it is beginning to become
a blurr.
Your driveway may still be a problem...You have a GMC now. You can always move!

Ron and Julie
73 Painted Desert

> Hello All,
> I have been looking at GMC's in the greater Sacramento area for about 7
> months. Today I found one with some real potential and a reasonable price.
> But, I have some questions. First, it is a 77 Kingsley but it has a 403
> engine; I thought the 455's were standard until 78. Second, the engine was
> rebuilt in 93 (saw the receipt) but has only 3000 miles on it so it has been
> sitting. The owner said it has sat for at least 3 years. It started right
> up and ran very smooth; any advice as to what to look for in a coach that
> has sat for a while? Next, he said the headliner has been replaced. It was
> done with a felt like material with "insulation as the backing". Looks nice
> but is "bulging" down in places (closet door hits the light e.g.). Feels
> like the liner and "insulation" have come loose. Any idea as to how hard
> this is to fix? Next, some cracks in the plastic above the front windshield
> and above the windows by the back bed. Are these fixable. The back seats
> make into a bed but they look short. I'm 6 foot, will I fit or do I have to
> re-do it? Last, there is a 2" or so plastic pipe in the back under the
> bumper; it swivels easily. He says it's to drain the holding tank. It is
> very low to the ground and I have a steep driveway. It's going to hit, can
> it be rerouted; can I put skids or wheels on the frame to help with the
> driveway?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help and thanks for all I have learned over
> the past months while lurking.
> Bob Schoner
> Sacramento
 
Bob

The cracks in the headliners, front and rear can be fixed, but you might want to
have a professional do it, unless you are very handy. The ceiling will probably
have to be re-done. Again, if you are very handy, you can do it, or have it
done for $1500 - 2000 depending on what you want. When you start on the
ceiling, plan to do the sidewalls, refinsh the window trim and the headliners
all at the same time. I did my own, but I had a lot of help in planning and
more time than money (and it did take some time).

Check the brakes for rust and caliper working. Check the frame for deep rust.
Do the airbags hold air and does the air pump work? Check the net for the check
list

The pipe hanging down in the back is the sewer dump and usually is held up with
a rubber strap. Several people have added helper wheels to the rear. If you go
this route, use very heavy duty steel casters. But, before you go to this
trouble, see if the "raise" works on the air bags. This might be enough to get
you over the dip going into your drive.

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia, Md

> Hello All,
> I have been looking at GMC's in the greater Sacramento area for about 7
> months. Today I found one with some real potential and a reasonable price.
> But, I have some questions. First, it is a 77 Kingsley but it has a 403
> engine; I thought the 455's were standard until 78. Second, the engine was
> rebuilt in 93 (saw the receipt) but has only 3000 miles on it so it has been
> sitting. The owner said it has sat for at least 3 years. It started right
> up and ran very smooth; any advice as to what to look for in a coach that
> has sat for a while? Next, he said the headliner has been replaced. It was
> done with a felt like material with "insulation as the backing". Looks nice
> but is "bulging" down in places (closet door hits the light e.g.). Feels
> like the liner and "insulation" have come loose. Any idea as to how hard
> this is to fix? Next, some cracks in the plastic above the front windshield
> and above the windows by the back bed. Are these fixable. The back seats
> make into a bed but they look short. I'm 6 foot, will I fit or do I have to
> re-do it? Last, there is a 2" or so plastic pipe in the back under the
> bumper; it swivels easily. He says it's to drain the holding tank. It is
> very low to the ground and I have a steep driveway. It's going to hit, can
> it be rerouted; can I put skids or wheels on the frame to help with the
> driveway?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help and thanks for all I have learned over
> the past months while lurking.
> Bob Schoner
> Sacramento
 
On Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:29:53 -0800 "Robert Schoner"
writes:
>Hello All,
Today I found one with some real potential and a reasonable price.
>But, I have some questions. First, it is a 77 Kingsley but it has a 403
>engine; I thought the 455's were standard until 78.

Bob, the 455 was phased out with TZE167V101284 in the GM upfitted coaches
like the Kingsley. There is nothing wrong with the 403ci engine.

Second, any advice as to what to look for in a coach that
>has sat for a while?
Depending on the climate, you should be cautious about any rubber, hoses
and seals.

Next, he said the headliner has been replaced. It was done with a felt
like material with "insulation as the backing". Looks nice
>but is "bulging" down in places (closet door hits the light e.g.).
Feels
>like the liner and "insulation" have come loose. Any idea as to how
>hard this is to fix?
Others have experience with this problem and can answer better. Mine was
totally replaced about 6 years ago and no problem so far. Depends on the
adhesive used.

Next, some cracks in the plastic above the front windshield
>and above the windows by the back bed. Are these fixable. The back
>seats make into a bed but they look short. I'm 6 foot, will I fit or do
I
>have to re-do it?
There are a few things you can do to add length to the bed. One is to
raise the matress up to the level of the hamper on the passenger's side
or remove the hamper, or sleep katty-corner

Last, there is a 2" or so plastic pipe in the back under the
>bumper; it swivels easily. He says it's to drain the holding tank. It
is
>very low to the ground and I have a steep driveway. It's going to
>hit, can it be rerouted; can I put skids or wheels on the frame to help
with the driveway?
>
Yes, it can be rerouted but it would be better to replace the (3") pipe
arrangement with a mascerator pump and a garden hose to pump out the
tank. Lots of owners have done this and keep their 3" pipe as a backup
but I have removed the old system entirely and plan to mount my spare (a
smaller )tire in that space.

Bob, don't forget to send me the TZE number for that 1977 Kingsley. It
should be TZE167V10XXXX. I will also nee the owner info, etc. See the web
site for the req'd info.

Happy Trails!

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
200 MacFarlane Drive PH4
Delray Beach, FL 33483-6829
ww.gmcss.com/registry.htm
 
Bob, I tried to email you direct with an offer to "test drive" your driveway
in my 76PB but the attemp failed. Reason was given as addressee unknown. I
used rschoner is this correct ? Offer still stands if we can ever
make contact. Dave, in Citrus Heights