4k Onan won't start

Bruce Hart

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Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and lubed
starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to manually
close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut to no
use.
--
Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
 
Make sure you have full 12 voltage .
Choke comes on only for short instant during cranking then governor opens it up when it starts running.

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>
> Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and lubed
> starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to manually
> close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut to no
> use.
> --
> Bruce Hart
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
>
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Have 12.4 volts

> Make sure you have full 12 voltage .
> Choke comes on only for short instant during cranking then governor opens
> it up when it starts running.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

> >
> > Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or
> longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and
> lubed
> > starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
> plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
> manually
> > close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting
> the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut to
> no
> > use.
> > --
> > Bruce Hart
> > 1976 Palm Beach
> > Milliken, Co
> >
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
Should have 13.5 if it has not been running for some time.
Clean the points.
Spray starter fluid .
Plug gap .020

> Have 12.4 volts
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:15 AM Jim Kanomata

>
> > Make sure you have full 12 voltage .
> > Choke comes on only for short instant during cranking then governor opens
> > it up when it starts running.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >

> > >
> > > Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or
> > longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and
> > lubed
> > > starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
> > plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
> > manually
> > > close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting
> > the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut
> to
> > no
> > > use.
> > > --
> > > Bruce Hart
> > > 1976 Palm Beach
> > > Milliken, Co
> > >
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> Bruce Hart
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
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1-800-752-7502
 
Not sure how you get 13.5 volts from 12 volt battery. Unless that is what
it should be charging rate when the generator is running.

> Should have 13.5 if it has not been running for some time.
> Clean the points.
> Spray starter fluid .
> Plug gap .020
>

>
> > Have 12.4 volts
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 7:15 AM Jim Kanomata

> >
> > > Make sure you have full 12 voltage .
> > > Choke comes on only for short instant during cranking then governor
> opens
> > > it up when it starts running.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >

> > > >
> > > > Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or
> > > longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned,
> and
> > > lubed
> > > > starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
> > > plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
> > > manually
> > > > close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first
> starting
> > > the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting
> nut
> > to
> > > no
> > > > use.
> > > > --
> > > > Bruce Hart
> > > > 1976 Palm Beach
> > > > Milliken, Co
> > > >
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Bruce Hart
> > 1976 Palm Beach
> > Milliken, Co
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>
> --
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
Check the ground. Rust is the problem.

Gary Kosier
77PB w/500Cad
Newark, Ohio

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From: "Jim Kanomata"
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 8:54 AM
To:
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 4k Onan won't start

> Make sure you have full 12 voltage .
> Choke comes on only for short instant during cranking then governor opens
> it up when it starts running.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

>>
>> Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or longer.
>> Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and lubed
>> starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
>> plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
>> manually
>> close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting
>> the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut
>> to no
>> use.
>> --
>> Bruce Hart
>> 1976 Palm Beach
>> Milliken, Co
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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You note fire at both plugs. Then it gets no gas, which would include a bad choke. Investigate more. Will it sputter if you prime it with some
gas?

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
It gets gas, has spark. It will start and keep running when I manually
close the governor . Without helping the governor it just continues to
crank and the governor won't close.
I am helping a friend go through his newly acquired 23 foot Canyonland and
won't get back to it until next week..

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 8:02 PM Johnny Bridges via Gmclist <

> You note fire at both plugs. Then it gets no gas, which would include a
> bad choke. Investigate more. Will it sputter if you prime it with some
> gas?
>
> --johnny
> --
> 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
> Braselton, Ga.
> "I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me
> in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
>
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
I'm missing something - gov 'won't close'? Do you mean the engine doesn't throttle back as it achieves goverened speed?

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
> Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and lubed
> starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to manually
> close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut to
> no use.

I'm confused. You say "governor" but seem to be describing the choke operation. The governor controls the throttle linkage. If it is truly the
governor then it is a much different problem to solve. The Governor, its linkage and the actual internal governor system, should be pulling the
throttle open.

The choke, when cold and not running should be approximately 1/2 closed. The choke actuator has two internal components. One is the typical thermal
bi metallic spring. When cold this pulls the choke half way closed. The other component is an electric solenoid. This solenoid is energized when
the starter cranks and pulls the choke the rest of the way closed. With the starter not running and the engine hot the choke should be completely
open.

The choke actuator is grounded through the exhause manifold. This connection frequently is, as stated earlier, rusted and will not allow the current
to flow. You can clean the rust however it will rust again and cause the same problem. Best solution is to run a ground wire from the choke actuator
mounting bolt to a better ground. If the choke actuator solenoid does not work all is not lost as there are some fixes that may work to correct this.
I don't believe there is a choke actuator replacement available. (I replaced mine with a NOS OEM but it was pricey. I got lucky and saw it on eBay
as soon as it was posted and did the "buy it now" thing.)

--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
 
Yes it is the governor. At stop position the governor butterfly is wide
open, when Onan is running the governor butterfly is mostly closed and
positioned against a stop, adjustable by an idle screw.

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Steve Southworth
wrote:

> > Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or
> longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and
> lubed
> > starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
> plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
> manually
> > close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting
> the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut to
> > no use.
>
>
>
> I'm confused. You say "governor" but seem to be describing the choke
> operation. The governor controls the throttle linkage. If it is truly the
> governor then it is a much different problem to solve. The Governor, its
> linkage and the actual internal governor system, should be pulling the
> throttle open.
>
> The choke, when cold and not running should be approximately 1/2 closed.
> The choke actuator has two internal components. One is the typical thermal
> bi metallic spring. When cold this pulls the choke half way closed. The
> other component is an electric solenoid. This solenoid is energized when
> the starter cranks and pulls the choke the rest of the way closed. With
> the starter not running and the engine hot the choke should be completely
> open.
>
> The choke actuator is grounded through the exhause manifold. This
> connection frequently is, as stated earlier, rusted and will not allow the
> current
> to flow. You can clean the rust however it will rust again and cause the
> same problem. Best solution is to run a ground wire from the choke actuator
> mounting bolt to a better ground. If the choke actuator solenoid does not
> work all is not lost as there are some fixes that may work to correct this.
> I don't believe there is a choke actuator replacement available. (I
> replaced mine with a NOS OEM but it was pricey. I got lucky and saw it on
> eBay
> as soon as it was posted and did the "buy it now" thing.)
>
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> Palmyra WI
>
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Bruce Hart
1976 Palm Beach
Milliken, Co
GMC=Got More Class
 
Governors operate in a state of balance, like a teeter totter. Mechanical
force from a centrifugal device driven by the running engine vs a spring.
When the engine is not running, the spring overwhelms the linkage, and the
throttle appears to be wide open, or in some cases, fully closed. BUT, when
the engine runs, the linkage moves the throttle to a pre-determined
position to control the voltage, AS WELL AS THE FREQUENCY, of the
generator. If you grab hold of the linkage and pull against the effort of
the governor, bad stuff is going to happen if the generator is actively
producing electricity. Some modern electronic devices really, really don't
like excessive voltage or frequency. You will let the captive smoke out of
them, and they will cease functioning. Just sayin'.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC ROYALE 403

> Yes it is the governor. At stop position the governor butterfly is wide
> open, when Onan is running the governor butterfly is mostly closed and
> positioned against a stop, adjustable by an idle screw.
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:20 AM Steve Southworth

>

> > > Trying to get a 4k Onan to run. Onan had been idle for12 years or
> > longer. Replaced the fuel pump, k-1 solenoid, control board, cleaned, and
> > lubed
> > > starter, lubed starter solenoid, points at .020". Have spark to both
> > plugs. I can get the Onan to run when cranking starter but I have to
> > manually
> > > close the governor. What pulls the governor closed when first starting
> > the Onan? Have tried different settings on the spring and adjusting nut
> to
> > > no use.
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm confused. You say "governor" but seem to be describing the choke
> > operation. The governor controls the throttle linkage. If it is truly
> the
> > governor then it is a much different problem to solve. The Governor, its
> > linkage and the actual internal governor system, should be pulling the
> > throttle open.
> >
> > The choke, when cold and not running should be approximately 1/2 closed.
> > The choke actuator has two internal components. One is the typical
> thermal
> > bi metallic spring. When cold this pulls the choke half way closed. The
> > other component is an electric solenoid. This solenoid is energized when
> > the starter cranks and pulls the choke the rest of the way closed. With
> > the starter not running and the engine hot the choke should be completely
> > open.
> >
> > The choke actuator is grounded through the exhause manifold. This
> > connection frequently is, as stated earlier, rusted and will not allow
> the
> > current
> > to flow. You can clean the rust however it will rust again and cause the
> > same problem. Best solution is to run a ground wire from the choke
> actuator
> > mounting bolt to a better ground. If the choke actuator solenoid does
> not
> > work all is not lost as there are some fixes that may work to correct
> this.
> > I don't believe there is a choke actuator replacement available. (I
> > replaced mine with a NOS OEM but it was pricey. I got lucky and saw it
> on
> > eBay
> > as soon as it was posted and did the "buy it now" thing.)
> >
> > --
> > Steve Southworth
> > 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
> > 1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
> > Palmyra WI
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
> --
> Bruce Hart
> 1976 Palm Beach
> Milliken, Co
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