23' vs 26' & /side vs rear-bath?

Deb

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Since I am on the hunt, I have come across a couple (not many) 23' coaches. There will be me and 2 small dogs living in this. The advantage of the
23' obviously is size (easier parking, maybe better fuel economy - or not, but that isn't a real factor in this anyway), while the advantages of the
26' are also... size - more living space, maybe better options for floor plans, plus having the availability of the later builds and associated
improvements.

One of the biggest hiccups I keep coming across tho' is the rear-bath. Almost every 23' that I have seen that is listed is a rear-bath. And even
some of the 26 footers. I would seriously consider a nice 23' coach, if it had a side wet-bath.

Opinions, for and against, are gratefully accepted - 23' vs 26', and side vs rear-bath... :thumbdown: :thumbup:
 
Hello Deb,

26 has the advantage of a much wider availability.

If I were to travel alone with two dogs I would think that a rear bath
is perfect.

I have a 26' wet bath atm which is okay for four people. And will have
another 23' GMC next year for Europe if everything works according to
plan, for two people. It will also be a side bath, because I can have a
much nicer (self-designeD) 2-person floor plan with the side bath.

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Best regards

Peer Oliver Schmidt
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'76a Eleganza II, VA
 
The side-bath plans were either GM interiors ('73-'74) or they were based
on them, with the options reflected in the rear compartment configuration
(bed or seats that folded into a bed). The rear-bath interiors were mostly
done by Coachman in their Birchaven models, starting in '76.

There were never very many 23-foot coaches, so options are more limited.
They are lighter and easier to park, but I sure haven't noticed better
mileage. I like them, but that's because I have one.

The rear-bath Birchavens are known for having a surprisingly roomy lounge,
and the door placement right behind the cockpit (true for all 23's) helps
with this impression. But even our side-bath model benefits from the
forward door placement.

Rick "23's are for two--or one" Denney

> Since I am on the hunt, I have come across a couple (not many) 23'
> coaches. There will be me and 2 small dogs living in this. The advantage
> of the
> 23' obviously is size (easier parking, maybe better fuel economy - or not,
> but that isn't a real factor in this anyway), while the advantages of the
> 26' are also... size - more living space, maybe better options for floor
> plans, plus having the availability of the later builds and associated
> improvements.
>
> One of the biggest hiccups I keep coming across tho' is the rear-bath.
> Almost every 23' that I have seen that is listed is a rear-bath. And even
> some of the 26 footers. I would seriously consider a nice 23' coach, if
> it had a side wet-bath.
>
> Opinions, for and against, are gratefully accepted - 23' vs 26', and side
> vs rear-bath... :thumbdown: :thumbup:
>
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'73 230 "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
 
> Since I am on the hunt, I have come across a couple (not many) 23' coaches. There will be me and 2 small dogs living in this. The advantage of
> the 23' obviously is size (easier parking, maybe better fuel economy - or not, but that isn't a real factor in this anyway), while the advantages of
> the 26' are also... size - more living space, maybe better options for floor plans, plus having the availability of the later builds and associated
> improvements.
>
> One of the biggest hiccups I keep coming across tho' is the rear-bath. Almost every 23' that I have seen that is listed is a rear-bath. And even
> some of the 26 footers. I would seriously consider a nice 23' coach, if it had a side wet-bath.
>
> Opinions, for and against, are gratefully accepted - 23' vs 26', and side vs rear-bath... :thumbdown: :thumbup:
I never felt the need for the additional size of a 26' vs a 23'. And I have never been able to resolve the mental block of having the huge picture
window in the room where I do my private business instead of the living room or dining room.

My ideal GMC would be a '78 side bath Birchaven with the 403 replaced with a 455 and the dinette behind the driver replaced with a davo/bunk. 78 for
the upgraded dash AC. 455 because it has enough power to pull the 23' with the stock 3.07 final drive. Davo/bunk to sleep 4 when necessary.

Gas mileage is dependent on weight and how heavy your foot is, not length.
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73 23' Sequoia 4 Sale
73 23' CanyonLands Parts Unit 4 Sale
Upper Alabama
"Highest price does not guarantee highest quality."
 
There is just myself and my two small dogs that share my 23 foot 76 side bath Birchaven. I thought I liked the rear bedroom better than having it out in the open.
Now I wish I had bought the rear bath. IMHO I think it would have been a better setup for me. It does feel more spacious, and I do believe that it has more overhead storage.
I’m not unhappy with my side bath, I just think the rear bath would have worked out better.
There is a very rare 23 foot Avion that has a smaller refrigerator, and closet. This makes for a larger kitchen prep area, and the setup also is sort of a compromise of the regular side and read bath. That is the one I really wanted, but they were only made for one year and are very rare. Here’s a link to one that is sold.
Best in your hunting.
David Gardner
Oxnard Ca
1976 Birchaven 23’

>
> Since I am on the hunt, I have come across a couple (not many) 23' coaches. There will be me and 2 small dogs living in this. The advantage of the
> 23' obviously is size (easier parking, maybe better fuel economy - or not, but that isn't a real factor in this anyway), while the advantages of the
> 26' are also... size - more living space, maybe better options for floor plans, plus having the availability of the later builds and associated
> improvements.
>
> One of the biggest hiccups I keep coming across tho' is the rear-bath. Almost every 23' that I have seen that is listed is a rear-bath. And even
> some of the 26 footers. I would seriously consider a nice 23' coach, if it had a side wet-bath.
>
> Opinions, for and against, are gratefully accepted - 23' vs 26', and side vs rear-bath... :thumbdown: :thumbup:
>
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Deb, I own and travel in both. My 23' is a rear bath - Norris upfit. While it gets substantially better muileage than my 26', I suspect this is more
setup and gearing than length. For one person and two dogs, the 23' rear bath is perfect. I showed a coated dog out of it(Kuvasz) and the tub is big
enough to bathe the dog, which you can't do in a side bath. Also, I like to soak in it after a hard day. For more than one person, the bed isn't
really big enough. You have to make up the dinette every night and then knock it down every morning if there are two of you. Which strikes me as a
colossal PIA, compounded by the fact that I usually want to do breakfast before Paula wants to get up.
The cure is my 26' which has a wet side bath and a large bed in the back - a common conversion from the settee setup. Two people and three dogs fit
in it without a lot of histrionics. I don't care much for the wet bath because it's kind of cramped, but I spend a lot more time elsewhere in the
coach so it isn't that great a problem. If I show the BWD, though, I have to bathe him someplace else - there's no way in the wet bath. Since the
current boy doesn't show, the 26' has been getting the nod for travel to shows which I work.
How you travel will also make a difference - the 26' has more propane space and battery space if you boondock, which I don't. Also, the 23' is
limited in genset space which means a 4KW Onan or an aftermarket genset - mine has a Harbor Freight set.
Both of mine have vacuum pumps, reaction arm rear brakes, headers, and upgraded cooling systems - alll of which I consider essential.
If you want a sound 23' mechanically which looks like someone's dog has been traveling in it, gimme a shout.
You pays your money and you takes your choice.

--johnny

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'76 23' transmode Norris upfit, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.

"Sometimes I wonder what tomorrow's gonna bring when I think about my dirty life and times" --Warren Zevon
 
Getting lots of different perspectives on this. A lot to consider. Since I hope to buy only once, I want to make my best attempt the first time :)
I do think the 23' would be plenty for me, mainly the rear vs side bath that is the quandary.

Keep the comments coming!! I am hearing a lot of good information here.
 
Deb,

We have a '76 X-Birchaven. Even the "X-" doesn't really convey the changes
I've made during the 18+ years we've owned it -- The cabinet doors are
really the only things original inside -- and almost underneath also. But
those changes have resulted in a coach that SHE and I wouldn't consider
trading for any 26'. The photos in this album are not quite accurate:
They show a pair of captain's chairs separated by a slide-out dining table
behind the driver's seat. The bed was a sofa/bed on the starboard side
which expanded into the kitchen hallway into a king-sized bed. After our 4
month trip to Alaska, SHE stated "I'm never going to crawl to the bathroom
again -- nor shut the kitchen down at bedtime." So, I replaced the
captain's chairs and table with another sofa/bed and made the original sofa
non-expandable. That's worked very well, but it did call for developing a
"gas powered dining table" which hides beneath the port side sofa/bed when
not in use. Otherwise these photos may help you visualize the changes I'll
describe below:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3055-our-x-birchaven.html

I completely gutted the coach and installed new windows from Motorhome
Enhancements -- similar ones are now available from Applied GMC. On the
starboard side, I replace the small (36"?) window with a large one like
that on the port side (60"?). That one change is probably most responsible
for most 26' owning visitors usually exclaiming "where did all this room
come from?" Enlarging that window eliminated the "wine cabinet" that
resided behind the entry door on most Birchavens. The wall space in that
area supports a flat-screen TV and below that there's a bedding cabinet
which easily contains our two "TravelSacks" and pillows.

The rear bath is the only option I'd consider -- it's much more roomy than
any other wet or dry arrangement. While I, at 6'2" tall can't stand up
straight in there, I can sit on the built in seat of the small bathtub for
most of my bathing. If I had kits or pets to wash, my adamancy be
absolute. Privacy is not a problem. The rear window, like all the side
windows is darkly tinted and obstructs all vision from outside as long as
it's lighter outside than inside. But we don't depend on that: The 2' or
so of the port side of the window is inside the clothes closet, covered
with Reflectix -- nothing to see there. The starboad 2' or so is covered
with a sheet of FRP to deflect water from the window and to obscure all
vision. The remaining center 2' is covered by a cellular blind which is
totally opaque -- as are all of the other coach windows. Those
Hunter-Douglas blinds are wonderful: Enclosed with 360* valences, their
closed cell, with aluminum linings, construction makes them excellent
insulators and provide 100% privacy.

Storage is adequate. The 4' port aft closet easily stores all of our
hanging clothes, laundry bags, and has a lower compartment for bath
linens. Even though it's above the generator compartment (and an added
external storage compartment) its height is sufficient. The overhead
cabinets down each side of the coach easily accept 12"x18"x6" plastic trays
in which we pack our folded clothes (3 for her and 2 for me). Additional
ones accept more food, dishes, etc., that we ever need between
replenishment stops Drawers in the kitchen base cabinet are quite
sufficient for all of our cooking utensils, silverware, etc. There are two
slide-outs for canned goods, and other, storage; we rarely fill them. One
of those is in the kitchen base cabinet; the other is full height and
slides into a wall pocket ahead of the bathtub.

While we have a 2-burner gas stove, it has a removable cover which seldom
moves. The location of the convection microwave, which we use extensively,
is a little unusual -- it's above the foot of the starboard sofa/bed.
Since that sofa, being on top of the wheel well, is too high for
comfortable seating, the space beneath the oven would not be used for
anything except the sleeper's feet anyway.

While I've emphasized the changes made to our coach, what I'm trying to
tell you is that there's more than adequate space in a 23', especially one
with a rear bath, for one or two people to be very comfortable. Our
changes have only made that space seem larger and more comfortable -- for
US.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

> Getting lots of different perspectives on this. A lot to consider. Since
> I hope to buy only once, I want to make my best attempt the first time :)
> I do think the 23' would be plenty for me, mainly the rear vs side bath
> that is the quandary.
>
> Keep the comments coming!! I am hearing a lot of good information here.
>
>
 
Hi Ken. I found your original thread on your mods & renovations & actually have subscribed to it so i can find it again!!! I love the lat-out (and I
don't drink so I don't need a "beverage cabinet") - I'd rather have the space for a TV.
The more I read here (and look at interior photos), the more I suspect I am going to be looking for a 23' rear-bath. And may be looking for ideas to
re-arrange the lay-out over time. Completely opposite to my original thought process. I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at a nice 26' with a
side-wetbath though!
 
Deb,
If you're looking for additional ideas for the interior and exterior of your coach I will attach several albums on the coach that I have used. The first group of albums are for our first coach which was a frame up restoration and the second is for our Buskirk stretch that we got in 2011 and have made and additional number of upgrade to it since our purchase.

77 Eleganza II

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3022-interior-restoration.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3972-kitchen-vent-hood.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3762-headliner.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3373-safety-belt-shoulder-mounts.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5344-pergo-floor-install.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5665-1977-interior.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5666-1977-bath.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5667-77-gmc-exterior.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g3675-topeka-gmc-paint-job.html

78 Buskirk Stretch

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6365-1978-buskirk-stretch.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g5976-pergo-floor-install-stretch.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6967-table-26amp-3b-chairs.html
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6852-valance.html

As you can see our community has many and varied ideas on how you can do the interior and exterior of your coach. It is only limited to your imagination and what you want to end with.

Good luck in your hunt.

Regards

J.R. Wright
GMC Great Laker MHC
Newsletter Editor/Publisher
GMCGL Tech Editor
GMC Eastern States Charter Member
GMCMI
78 GMC Buskirk 30’ Stretch
75 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction)
Michigan

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> Hi Ken. I found your original thread on your mods & renovations & actually have subscribed to it so i can find it again!!! I love the lat-out (and I
> don't drink so I don't need a "beverage cabinet") - I'd rather have the space for a TV.
> The more I read here (and look at interior photos), the more I suspect I am going to be looking for a 23' rear-bath. And may be looking for ideas to
> re-arrange the lay-out over time. Completely opposite to my original thought process. I certainly wouldn't turn my nose up at a nice 26' with a
> side-wetbath though!
>
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Deb,

I have a 1976 23" Norris Upfit with a wet side bath - purchased a year ago from a couple in Brantford On. Personally I much prefer the side bath for a
number of reasons. More privacy in the bedroom so my wife who goes to bed early can sleep while I putter around in the front. Also, you don't have
to make and unmake a bed every day, which you would with a rear bath. We travel with one (big) dog who sleeps under the dining room table.

Gordon
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1976 23" Norris Upfit
Montreal West, Quebec, Canada