1st Voyage in my 1973 Canyonlands

rod utterback

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Hello Everyone, I just completed a San Diego to Chicago round trip, as=
a maiden voyage after 2 years of renovations and upgrades. During the 4,50=
0+ mile trip, I was able to real world test everything. These are such grea=
t designs that it was a truly enjoyable adventure. I averaged an =E2=80=
=9Cincident=E2=80=9D about every other day. These were not breakdowns rathe=
r opportunities for improvement. I would like to share my observations and =
my opinions. I=E2=80=99m only relaying my experience, your trip experience =
will of course vary. The first day resulted in only a 150 mile progres=
s. Traveling slow and cautiously. This was the first time I had driven the =
GMC on the highway, actually the first time I had driven any RV on the high=
way. The size and width of the coach took getting used to. Accelerating an=
d braking performance was disappointing. Even though the entire brake syste=
m was completely new and the 455 was running perfectly. Weight and wind res=
istance can=E2=80=99t be avoided. San Diego county is mountainous with a ma=
x elevation of about 4800 feet. Climbing from 800 feet to 4800 feet was typ=
ically done at 40 mph full throttle. Ambient temp was 80*. The new fuel gau=
ges became random and served as =E2=80=9Cgeneral=E2=80=9D indicators. I lat=
er decided that 200 miles on the odometer and it was time to fill up. Fuel =
consumption for the trip averaged 11-12 mpg. The second day was brough=
t to a close with a broken belt that destroyed a second belt, leaving just =
1 belt running. It happened after a fuel stop. My new belts and fancy alter=
nator tensioner didn=E2=80=99t save me but the remaining single belt for th=
e PS, water pump and a/c did! Running on just the coach and house battery g=
ot me to the repair shop 50 miles down the road. $200 later I was ready to =
stop for the night. The third day was uneventful. Becoming comfortable=
with driving speeds at 65 mph. MPG didn=E2=80=99t change. The rebuilt dash=
a/c worked fine as we crossed the desert areas of California and Arizona. =
There were slight hard starts after fueling stops. With higher ambient temp=
s, venting of fuel became an issue. Trying to fill the tank(s) became messy=
. Almost every stop caused a few gallons of fuel to dump on the pavement. A=
lthough the entire fuel system including all hoses, clamps, sending units, =
replaced and tanks cleaned. Still don=E2=80=99t know why. The next day=
we noticed the smell of axle grease in the cab. Turns out the diff cover t=
hat was professionally resealed in San Diego was leaking badly. $100 later =
problem was fixed and remains good to this day. On the fifth day some =
where in the pan handle of Texas it was time to stop for the day. Driving t=
he entire day at 65 mph, ambient temp 99*, to say the least it was hot, hot=
, hot. A shower, a good meal and a good night=E2=80=99s sleep sounded perfe=
ct. However after positioning on the camp pad and shutting off the engine=
=E2=80=A6..BOOM and a fog of R134A. Pretty much got the attention of everyo=
ne in the camp ground. Carefully looking into the right wheel well exposed =
the separated end fitting from its hose at the a/c compressor. So much for =
the brand new after market a/c hose. The A/C was never repaired proper=
ly, although I spent several hundreds of dollars and a lot of time trying t=
o. Of all the on the road repairs I think A/C is the most difficult. I gave=
up when the last shop (after a day=E2=80=99s worth of effort} proclaimed 7=
0* at the dash outlet. The wife was beginning to dislike traveling in the G=
MC. After 3 months at our destination in the hot, humid Midwest it was=
time to bring the GMC home to Cali. Before leaving I thought I could=
improve the steering so I replaced the steering input shaft and CV joint. =
I discovered almost all the steering play was a result of wear in the splin=
ed slip shaft. Both were replaced anyway. The trip home incurred only two f=
ailures over 4 days of travel. The upgraded belt tensioner and belts that w=
ere replaced on the first half of the trip were installed wrong and caused =
the alternator belt to fail again. The shore power cable failed shorting gr=
ound to one phase. All in all an easy trip home. Now I was more relaxed wit=
h the motorhome and less tense and had several observations. When I first j=
oined this forum, it seemed that certain issues were a constant topic. Tire=
s=E2=80=A6.I used the steel rims with standard size 16.5 inch Firestone Tra=
nsforce HT tires set at 70 psi. 5000 miles with no wear/problem. Vapor Lock=
=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6I run a new mechanical fuel pump with dual in line filter=
s and no inner fender liners. Occasional slow start but nothing to disable =
the engine. Overheating=E2=80=A6.Stock radiator, 180* thermostat, stock fan=
clutch, hi performance water pump (applied gmc). Temp guage max rise was 1=
needle width. Brakes=E2=80=A6.p30 master cylinder, 80mm calipers, fresh li=
nings, wheel cylinders. No brake fade. Always had a good pedal. I mention=
these because as a new owner and new to the forum I was worried that I did=
n=E2=80=99t take enough effort and money to be safe enough. All this migh=
t be the =E2=80=9Cminimum=E2=80=9D but with careful driving it seemed to me=
to be more than enough. I=E2=80=99m home but ready for the next GMC advent=
ure. The biggest surprise was when I noticed the GPS was reading 5 mph=
faster than the speedometer! Most of the driving was spent in the 65 =
=E2=80=93 70 mph range unknowingly! My next improvements are: sway bar=
s front and rear, new compressor for air ride, repair dash a/c, aux vac pum=
p Rod Utterback 1973 Canyonlands Escondido, Ca.
 
Rod,

Sounds like a great trip. I think almost every "long" trip I've taken I've had some sort of problem. But even then, I can't wait to get back up on
the horse for the next trip!
--
Brian K
1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
Bellevue, WA
Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall apart (discovering more as I go along....)
 
Rod,
You need to increase the ignition timing by 2 degrees to perk up the
engine.

> Rod,
>
> Sounds like a great trip. I think almost every "long" trip I've taken
> I've had some sort of problem. But even then, I can't wait to get back up
> on
> the horse for the next trip!
> --
> Brian K
> 1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
> Bellevue, WA
> Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall
> apart (discovering more as I go along....)
>
> _______________________________________________
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--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Rod ,
I take it back, your timing sems ok after reading the hard cranking when
engine was hot.

> Rod,
> You need to increase the ignition timing by 2 degrees to perk up the
> engine.
>

>
>> Rod,
>>
>> Sounds like a great trip. I think almost every "long" trip I've taken
>> I've had some sort of problem. But even then, I can't wait to get back up
>> on
>> the horse for the next trip!
>> --
>> Brian K
>> 1977 Eleganza II, TZE167V100261
>> Bellevue, WA
>> Rebuilt 455, New brake system, a lot of Original Equipment ready to fall
>> apart (discovering more as I go along....)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>> http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
>

--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
Rod, If you are getting 11-12 mpg you are doing extremely well. That is a c=
ouple of miles more per gallon than the usual average. If your coach is a 2=
6 then that is fantastic. > On Dec 5, 2017, at 3:00 PM, rod utterback =
wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I just co=
mpleted a San Diego to Chicago round trip, as a maiden voyage after 2 years=
of renovations and upgrades. During the 4,500+ mile trip, I was able to re=
al world test everything. These are such great designs that it was a truly =
enjoyable adventure. I averaged an =E2=80=9Cincident=E2=80=9D about every o=
ther day. These were not breakdowns rather opportunities for improvement. I=
would like to share my observations and my opinions. I=E2=80=99m only rela=
ying my experience, your trip experience will of course vary. > > The =
first day resulted in only a 150 mile progress. Traveling slow and cautious=
ly. This was the first time I had driven the GMC on the highway, actually t=
he first time I had driven any RV on the highway. The size and width of the=
coach took getting used to. Accelerating and braking performance was disa=
ppointing. Even though the entire brake system was completely new and the 4=
55 was running perfectly. Weight and wind resistance can=E2=80=99t be avoid=
ed. San Diego county is mountainous with a max elevation of about 4800 feet=
. Climbing from 800 feet to 4800 feet was typically done at 40 mph full thr=
ottle. Ambient temp was 80*. The new fuel gauges became random and served a=
s =E2=80=9Cgeneral=E2=80=9D indicators. I later decided that 200 miles on t=
he odometer and it was time to fill up. Fuel consumption for the trip avera=
ged 11-12 mpg. > > The second day was brought to a close with a broken=
belt that destroyed a second belt, leaving just 1 belt running. It happene=
d after a fuel stop. My new belts and fancy alternator tensioner didn=
=E2=80=99t save me but the remaining single belt for the PS, water pump and=
a/c did! Running on just the coach and house battery got me to the repair =
shop 50 miles down the road. $200 later I was ready to stop for the night.=
> > The third day was uneventful. Becoming comfortable with driving s=
peeds at 65 mph. MPG didn=E2=80=99t change. The rebuilt dash a/c worked fin=
e as we crossed the desert areas of California and Arizona. There were slig=
ht hard starts after fueling stops. With higher ambient temps, venting of f=
uel became an issue. Trying to fill the tank(s) became messy. Almost every =
stop caused a few gallons of fuel to dump on the pavement. Although the ent=
ire fuel system including all hoses, clamps, sending units, replaced and ta=
nks cleaned. Still don=E2=80=99t know why. > > The next day we noticed=
the smell of axle grease in the cab. Turns out the diff cover that was pro=
fessionally resealed in San Diego was leaking badly. $100 later problem was=
fixed and remains good to this day. > > On the fifth day some where i=
n the pan handle of Texas it was time to stop for the day. Driving the enti=
re day at 65 mph, ambient temp 99*, to say the least it was hot, hot, hot. =
A shower, a good meal and a good night=E2=80=99s sleep sounded perfect. How=
ever after positioning on the camp pad and shutting off the engine=E2=80=
=A6..BOOM and a fog of R134A. Pretty much got the attention of everyone in =
the camp ground. Carefully looking into the right wheel well exposed the se=
parated end fitting from its hose at the a/c compressor. So much for the br=
and new after market a/c hose. > > The A/C was never repaired properly=
, although I spent several hundreds of dollars and a lot of time trying to.=
Of all the on the road repairs I think A/C is the most difficult. I gave u=
p when the last shop (after a day=E2=80=99s worth of effort} proclaimed 70*=
at the dash outlet. The wife was beginning to dislike traveling in the GMC=
. > > After 3 months at our destination in the hot, humid Midwest it w=
as time to bring the GMC home to Cali. > > Before leaving I thought I=
could improve the steering so I replaced the steering input shaft and CV j=
oint. I discovered almost all the steering play was a result of wear in the=
splined slip shaft. Both were replaced anyway. The trip home incurred only=
two failures over 4 days of travel. The upgraded belt tensioner and belts =
that were replaced on the first half of the trip were installed wrong and c=
aused the alternator belt to fail again. The shore power cable failed short=
ing ground to one phase. All in all an easy trip home. Now I was more relax=
ed with the motorhome and less tense and had several observations. When I f=
irst joined this forum, it seemed that certain issues were a constant topic=
. Tires=E2=80=A6.I used the steel rims with standard size 16.5 inch Firesto=
ne Transforce HT tires set at 70 psi. 5000 miles with no wear/problem. Vapo=
r Lock=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6I run a new mechanical fuel pump with dual in line =
filters and no inner fender liners. Occasional slow start but nothing to di=
sable the engine. Overheating=E2=80=A6.Stock radiator, 180* thermostat, sto=
ck fan clutch, hi performance water pump (applied gmc). Temp guage max rise=
was 1 needle width. Brakes=E2=80=A6.p30 master cylinder, 80mm calipers, fr=
esh linings, wheel cylinders. No brake fade. Always had a good pedal. > I=
mention these because as a new owner and new to the forum I was worried th=
at I didn=E2=80=99t take enough effort and money to be safe enough. > All=
this might be the =E2=80=9Cminimum=E2=80=9D but with careful driving it se=
emed to me to be more than enough. I=E2=80=99m home but ready for the next =
GMC adventure. > > The biggest surprise was when I noticed the GPS was=
reading 5 mph faster than the speedometer! > Most of the driving was sp=
ent in the 65 =E2=80=93 70 mph range unknowingly! > > My next improvem=
ents are: sway bars front and rear, new compressor for air ride, repair das=
h a/c, aux vac pump > > Rod Utterback > 1973 Canyonlands > Escondi=
do, Ca. > > _______________________________________________ > GMCnet=
mailing list > Unsubscribe or Change List Options: > http://list.gmcne=
t.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org Gary Worobec gtw5=
thlink.net 1973 23 GMC Glacier 1935 Dodge p=
ickup
 
Rod,

As one that has broken two of them, you need to look at your rims. Up until the later years, GMC rims were not made for radial tires and they will
crack given the chance. Some place on the GMC web there is a discussion of how to find the circle R mark you need to find. If you can't locate 16'
steel rims cheap, consider buying alloy.

Also if you get the coach weighed, you may find out the 70 is too high. 73&4 coaches are lighter than later because Gemini used plywood and not
particle board for the interior.

Next, you should have a front sway (actually an anti-roll bar to us engineers) already. Be cautious of putting too big a bar in the back as some have
found it to make leveling at a campsite problematic.

With my '73, it was not possible to replace the alternator belt without removing both the fan and the A/C belt. So, if you need to do so, buy two and
use wire tie or safety wire to secure it behind all that stuff so it is ready when you need it.

Lastly, even with the P30 master cylinder, you still get no brake from the rear set. That is what the "Reaction Bars" (aka floating backplate) set
fixes with no other changes.

Glad you are enjoying the coach.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
> Rod,
>
> Sounds like a great trip. I think almost every "long" trip I've taken I've had some sort of problem. But even then, I can't wait to get back up
> on the horse for the next trip!

Well Brian,

That is just not a given.
In 2014, we went to the internationals in both Montgomery, TX and Chippewa Falls, WI. This would be less surprising, but we went to Texas by way of
the Natchez Trace and returned through by a different route. Chippewa Falls was a stop on the way back from Yellowstone and places north. Those
together added up to just a little less than 12K miles. We did have to make a repair during all this, one of the draw guides broke and had to be
glued back together.

The year did require 10 bogie greasings (should have been more), 3 front lube jobs and 2 oil changes. You just can't skip the required maintenance.

Matt
--
Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Rod,

Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences and observations from the maiden voyage. As a new owner that drove a new-to-me coach home to
Baltimore from Phoenix last December, I was very interested in your story. I averaged 8.5 MPG on my 2300 mile trip (1976 23' with 455 and OEM
Rochester Quadrajet carburetor) and am most curious about your engine, final drive and fuel delivery setup. Regarding the the gas over-fill
experiences, I resorted to extremely slow fill-ups. I never came close to even the first detente setting on the fill nozzle. Even so, I recall
having about a 1/2 quart of gasoline over-fill/spillage at several fueling stops. Like you, I have read much about vapor lock and several other
hot-button topics, but am now curious whether your and my tank filling experiences are typical and how to avoid them. I took to estimating gas needed
based on miles driven and stopped filling 5 gal or so before I anticipated full tanks. Based on your experiences, I'm also making a mental note to
check that I have a full compliment of on-board spare belts. Save travels.
--
Wackster - 1976 23' Crestmont
Baltimore, Maryland
 
Now that is a darn good idea.Why didn't I think of that?

jofarr
74,76,78 26'''
soddy daisy tn

Original message
From: "Matt Colie"
To: gmclist;
Dated: 12/5/2017 6:48:51 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 1st Voyage in my 1973 Canyonlands
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With my '73, it was not possible to replace the alternator belt without removing both the fan and the A/C belt. So, if you need to do so, buy two and
use wire tie or safety wire to secure it behind all that stuff so it is ready when you need it.