What I hate about production rebuilders

Matt Colie

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This is what I hate about production rebuilders.
Yes,this is a part of this thread.
As the aftermarket product engineer at McCord Gasket, I get to deal with a lot of these shops. Most of them were names that you may have heard.

When a conscientious rebuilder gets an engine in, the first thing that will happen is that it gets torn down and evaluated. If a bore or a journal
shows damage, they will put it in line for a clean up machining and then re-evaulate before they order parts. That is what good shops do.

Early on, I found out the production rebuilders don't bother. The break the engine down, bore the block to 30 over, grind the crank to 30 under. The
head gets about the same treatment. When I asked the foreman of one big name shop why they did this, he said it was so that they could be sure that
they would not get bitten by the warranty. Later, I found out that this was a lie. They do it that way because then they only have to order and
stock one set of parts. The fact that this engine can not be salvaged after this rebuild does not seem to bother them at all.

My engine is now a 461 (455 + 0.03) and the crank I took out was ground to minimum. Fortunately the bore where the piston failed was not damaged past
usefullness. I was able to come up with another crank but I took another two months to get the mains for mine.

Matt
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OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
 
Several "production" machine shops do that, regardless of bore condition.
No alloy rich blocks, like Chevrolet, are unlikely to be still round and
free of taper after 50,000 miles.
Olds, a high nickel content engine block often are still round and
true after over 100,000 miles. All they need would be a new set of standard
sized pistons, and crosshatch honeing and they are good to go. Reason to
replace the pistons is usually worn ring grooves that no longer seal either
oil or combustion pressures, not because of skirt wear or piston pin bore
wear.
Choose your rebuilder well.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019, 9:11 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist
wrote:

> This is what I hate about production rebuilders.
> Yes,this is a part of this thread.
> As the aftermarket product engineer at McCord Gasket, I get to deal with a
> lot of these shops. Most of them were names that you may have heard.
>
> When a conscientious rebuilder gets an engine in, the first thing that
> will happen is that it gets torn down and evaluated. If a bore or a journal
> shows damage, they will put it in line for a clean up machining and then
> re-evaulate before they order parts. That is what good shops do.
>
> Early on, I found out the production rebuilders don't bother. The break
> the engine down, bore the block to 30 over, grind the crank to 30 under.
> The
> head gets about the same treatment. When I asked the foreman of one big
> name shop why they did this, he said it was so that they could be sure that
> they would not get bitten by the warranty. Later, I found out that this
> was a lie. They do it that way because then they only have to order and
> stock one set of parts. The fact that this engine can not be salvaged
> after this rebuild does not seem to bother them at all.
>
> My engine is now a 461 (455 + 0.03) and the crank I took out was ground to
> minimum. Fortunately the bore where the piston failed was not damaged past
> usefullness. I was able to come up with another crank but I took another
> two months to get the mains for mine.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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If you want it done differently one must look around till you find one that
will.
It will cost more as it slowed down the production.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <

> This is what I hate about production rebuilders.
> Yes,this is a part of this thread.
> As the aftermarket product engineer at McCord Gasket, I get to deal with a
> lot of these shops. Most of them were names that you may have heard.
>
> When a conscientious rebuilder gets an engine in, the first thing that
> will happen is that it gets torn down and evaluated. If a bore or a journal
> shows damage, they will put it in line for a clean up machining and then
> re-evaulate before they order parts. That is what good shops do.
>
> Early on, I found out the production rebuilders don't bother. The break
> the engine down, bore the block to 30 over, grind the crank to 30 under.
> The
> head gets about the same treatment. When I asked the foreman of one big
> name shop why they did this, he said it was so that they could be sure that
> they would not get bitten by the warranty. Later, I found out that this
> was a lie. They do it that way because then they only have to order and
> stock one set of parts. The fact that this engine can not be salvaged
> after this rebuild does not seem to bother them at all.
>
> My engine is now a 461 (455 + 0.03) and the crank I took out was ground to
> minimum. Fortunately the bore where the piston failed was not damaged past
> usefullness. I was able to come up with another crank but I took another
> two months to get the mains for mine.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>
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Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
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1-800-752-7502
 
Doing less work will cost more?

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:51 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> If you want it done differently one must look around till you find one that
> will.
> It will cost more as it slowed down the production.
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <

>
> > This is what I hate about production rebuilders.
> > Yes,this is a part of this thread.
> > As the aftermarket product engineer at McCord Gasket, I get to deal with
> a
> > lot of these shops. Most of them were names that you may have heard.
> >
> > When a conscientious rebuilder gets an engine in, the first thing that
> > will happen is that it gets torn down and evaluated. If a bore or a
> journal
> > shows damage, they will put it in line for a clean up machining and then
> > re-evaulate before they order parts. That is what good shops do.
> >
> > Early on, I found out the production rebuilders don't bother. The break
> > the engine down, bore the block to 30 over, grind the crank to 30 under.
> > The
> > head gets about the same treatment. When I asked the foreman of one big
> > name shop why they did this, he said it was so that they could be sure
> that
> > they would not get bitten by the warranty. Later, I found out that this
> > was a lie. They do it that way because then they only have to order and
> > stock one set of parts. The fact that this engine can not be salvaged
> > after this rebuild does not seem to bother them at all.
> >
> > My engine is now a 461 (455 + 0.03) and the crank I took out was ground
> to
> > minimum. Fortunately the bore where the piston failed was not damaged
> past
> > usefullness. I was able to come up with another crank but I took another
> > two months to get the mains for mine.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> > Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> > OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
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> >
> --
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> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS

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sounds like a lot more work to me

1. evaluation by an expert
2. 2 different machining processes
3. 2 different sets of parts
4. Some rework when the expert is wrong and the block needs to be machined twice

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Doing less work will cost more?

On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 2:51 PM Jim Kanomata via Gmclist <

> If you want it done differently one must look around till you find one that
> will.
> It will cost more as it slowed down the production.
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2019 at 7:22 AM Matt Colie via Gmclist <

>
> > This is what I hate about production rebuilders.
> > Yes,this is a part of this thread.
> > As the aftermarket product engineer at McCord Gasket, I get to deal with
> a
> > lot of these shops. Most of them were names that you may have heard.
> >
> > When a conscientious rebuilder gets an engine in, the first thing that
> > will happen is that it gets torn down and evaluated. If a bore or a
> journal
> > shows damage, they will put it in line for a clean up machining and then
> > re-evaulate before they order parts. That is what good shops do.
> >
> > Early on, I found out the production rebuilders don't bother. The break
> > the engine down, bore the block to 30 over, grind the crank to 30 under.
> > The
> > head gets about the same treatment. When I asked the foreman of one big
> > name shop why they did this, he said it was so that they could be sure
> that
> > they would not get bitten by the warranty. Later, I found out that this
> > was a lie. They do it that way because then they only have to order and
> > stock one set of parts. The fact that this engine can not be salvaged
> > after this rebuild does not seem to bother them at all.
> >
> > My engine is now a 461 (455 + 0.03) and the crank I took out was ground
> to
> > minimum. Fortunately the bore where the piston failed was not damaged
> past
> > usefullness. I was able to come up with another crank but I took another
> > two months to get the mains for mine.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie - '73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
> > Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan
> > OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
> > http://list.gmcnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gmclist_list.gmcnet.org
> >
> --
> Jim Kanomata
> Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
> jimk
> http://www.appliedgmc.com
> 1-800-752-7502
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Michael Beaton
1977 Kingsley 26-11
1977 Eleganza II 26-3
Antigonish, NS

Life is too short to hold a grudge; slash some tires and call it even !
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