The engine water pump to get, CARDONE Select 55-21118H

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Resurrecting this thread from last Spring.....

I have not been able to find the Cardone Select 55-21118H water pump in stock from any supplier. Cardone customer service tells me that they won't
make any more until they get cores, but when I spoke to their R&R department I found out that they can rebuild my existing water pump to the 55-21118H
specs if I tell them (or NAPA) to have it rebuilt to 58-297-H specs, which consists of a gasket and the roller/ball bearings.

Does this make sense to the water pump experts out there?
--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
Bill, if you have a Baxter's Auto parts near you, they can fix you up.
Jim Hupy

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:14 AM Bill Van Vlack Resurrecting this thread from last Spring.....
>
> I have not been able to find the Cardone Select 55-21118H water pump in
> stock from any supplier. Cardone customer service tells me that they won't
> make any more until they get cores, but when I spoke to their R&R
> department I found out that they can rebuild my existing water pump to the
> 55-21118H
> specs if I tell them (or NAPA) to have it rebuilt to 58-297-H specs, which
> consists of a gasket and the roller/ball bearings.
>
> Does this make sense to the water pump experts out there?
> --
> Bill Van Vlack
> '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath,
> Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o
> mid
> November 2015.
>
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> Resurrecting this thread from last Spring.....
>
> I have not been able to find the Cardone Select 55-21118H water pump in stock from any supplier. Cardone customer service tells me that they won't
> make any more until they get cores, but when I spoke to their R&R department I found out that they can rebuild my existing water pump to the
> 55-21118H specs if I tell them (or NAPA) to have it rebuilt to 58-297-H specs, which consists of a gasket and the roller/ball bearings.
>
> Does this make sense to the water pump experts out there?

Yes and no. There are several differences in the cores out there and so that spec may or may not work depending on your core.

On the Cardone 55-21118H pump, it is a NEW pump, (not a rebuilt) and as such does not use an old core for parts. That does not help you much because
Cardome does not appear to be making them right now. Every place I tried online says they are out of stock EXCEPT Pep Boys. So you might want to try
them:
https://www.pepboys.com/cardone-select-new-water-pump/product/20027460
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
I ordered one for a spare on 20 December from Summit.

They are allegedly shipping on 2/4

Dolph

DE AD0LF

Wheeling, West Virginia

1977 26’ ex-PalmBeach
Howell EFI & EBL, Reaction Arms, Sullybilt Bags, Manny Transmission

“The Aluminum and Fiberglass Mistress"

>

>> Resurrecting this thread from last Spring.....
>>
>> I have not been able to find the Cardone Select 55-21118H water pump in stock from any supplier. Cardone customer service tells me that they won't
>> make any more until they get cores, but when I spoke to their R&R department I found out that they can rebuild my existing water pump to the
>> 55-21118H specs if I tell them (or NAPA) to have it rebuilt to 58-297-H specs, which consists of a gasket and the roller/ball bearings.
>>
>> Does this make sense to the water pump experts out there?
>
> Yes and no. There are several differences in the cores out there and so that spec may or may not work depending on your core.
>
> On the Cardone 55-21118H pump, it is a NEW pump, (not a rebuilt) and as such does not use an old core for parts. That does not help you much because
> Cardome does not appear to be making them right now. Every place I tried online says they are out of stock EXCEPT Pep Boys. So you might want to try
> them:
> https://www.pepboys.com/cardone-select-new-water-pump/product/20027460
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
>
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When I ordered mine from Summit the first part of August 2018. it showed it to be out of stock and would ship in like 2 weeks. shortly after that
the date switched out to mid sept. then it dropped back a few weeks, and I finally did receive mine at the end of August the week before I installed
it.

Dolph will have to let us know if his waterpump shows up.

When I was looking, I had hoped for this A-1 Cardone pump, and I was really happy with it when it showed up. Seemed like a solid looking pump,
ect... I was ready to pull the trigger on a milodon aluminum pump, at 3x the cost. even though some of the others out there probably would work
just fine, I still did not like the looks of the rebuilt one's from o'reilies and autozone.

--
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
 
I also ordered one a couple weeks ago from Summit. Scheduled to arrive 2/5.

Gary Coaster / Reno, NV
1977 GMC Eleganza ll
GMC RV Day Night Shade Sales
GMCShades
www.GMCMotorhomemarketplace.com/GMC_Shades/

>
> When I ordered mine from Summit the first part of August 2018. it showed it to be out of stock and would ship in like 2 weeks. shortly after that
> the date switched out to mid sept. then it dropped back a few weeks, and I finally did receive mine at the end of August the week before I installed
> it.
>
> Dolph will have to let us know if his waterpump shows up.
>
>
> When I was looking, I had hoped for this A-1 Cardone pump, and I was really happy with it when it showed up. Seemed like a solid looking pump,
> ect... I was ready to pull the trigger on a milodon aluminum pump, at 3x the cost. even though some of the others out there probably would work
> just fine, I still did not like the looks of the rebuilt one's from o'reilies and autozone.
>
>
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>
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In my search, I've discovered...
- Baxter can't find the Cardone Pump part number in their database.
- Pep Boys does not actually have them in stock, once you call a store.
- Summit shows 2/4 availability, but by phone does not know when they'll receive them to ship.
- Cardone does not know when they'll receive them to ship, suggested I call a dealer to see if they have one in stock.
- Advance, one of Cardone's dealers, told me via Customer Assistance that Carquest (now owned by Advance) sells this pump under part number #T3086
and that they take it out of the Cardone box and put it into a Caquest box.
- A local Carquest store found two in stock at their Portland warehouse and has ordered one for me. $44.98.
- Once it comes it, I need to verify that it's really the Cardone pump. Any suggestions?

--
Bill Van Vlack
'76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath, Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o mid
November 2015.
 
I believe with Pep Boys you order online and ship it to the store. For a low volume item like this it would cost them a fortune to keep one in stock
at every store.

What do I know. I never ordered one from them. I just saw that they said they had it in stock where Rock Auto and Summit had it on back order.

Did anyone ever think to call Jim K. at Applied? He was stocking it unless he is currently sold out.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
I have one of the carquest ones new in the box, but I can't see anything
that indicates it was build by cardone, anyway to check?

--
Ethan James
'76 Glenbrook "Roise"
Roanoke, VA

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 12:07 PM Bill Van Vlack
wrote:

> In my search, I've discovered...
> - Baxter can't find the Cardone Pump part number in their database.
> - Pep Boys does not actually have them in stock, once you call a store.
> - Summit shows 2/4 availability, but by phone does not know when they'll
> receive them to ship.
> - Cardone does not know when they'll receive them to ship, suggested I
> call a dealer to see if they have one in stock.
> - Advance, one of Cardone's dealers, told me via Customer Assistance
> that Carquest (now owned by Advance) sells this pump under part number
> #T3086
> and that they take it out of the Cardone box and put it into a Caquest box.
> - A local Carquest store found two in stock at their Portland warehouse
> and has ordered one for me. $44.98.
> - Once it comes it, I need to verify that it's really the Cardone pump.
> Any suggestions?
>
> --
> Bill Van Vlack
> '76 Royale; Guemes Island, Washington; Twin bed, full (DS) side bath,
> Brazilian Redwood counter and settee tops,455, 6KW generator; new owner a/o
> mid
> November 2015.
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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>
 
Ken Burton made a good point about calling Applied. In the e-mail below. I to covered that in my e-mail below this morning.. I always know that when I get any GMC parts from Jim at Applied. It's the correct part. We desperately need these vendors to keep our GMC's on the road. Without them. We could end up with our GMC's as large flower pots in the front yard. Bob Dunahugh

________________________________
From: Bob Dunahugh
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 12:08 AM
To: gmclist
Subject: RE: The engine water pump to get, CARDONE Select 55-21118H

I bought 2 this past year. Both were new. No core required. From Jim K at Applied. Bob Dunahugh
 
You know we stock them, if you need a deal, just ask me.
I don't see the other supplies supporting the GMC clubs and funcition.

> Bill-
>
> Send me a picture when it arrives.
>
> I cant guarantee i can tell what it is. But I can compare. I remember
> the finish on the cordone pump i got from summet in august.
>
>
> --
> Jon Roche
> 75 palm beach
> St. Cloud, MN
> http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
>
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Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Newark,CA
jimk
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
 
For whomever asked, the H is the one with roller bearings in front. Without the H, 455 pump with ball bearings front and back. Do not forget the H.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I am also researching the correct water pump for my rebuild. Jim shows 3 pumps on his website:

- Water Pump GM6-012, $39.
- HEAVY DUTY WATER PUMP WITH ROLLER BEARINGS AND CAVITATION PLATE GM6-012-2 (I presume this is the Cardone Industries 55-21118H), $57
- High Volume Aluminum Water Pump GM6-012-3, $130.

I'd prefer the aluminum pump if it's a quality unit with proper bearings, though it looks like from his website the impeller backing plate is just
riveted on, which I have seen come off on other applications.

Thoughts?
--
77 Kingsley
 
Yes, get the Cardone from Jimmy the K. It fits, it works, it's the proper roller bearing front. You can save $12 from many suppliers, none of whom
have any in stock or in the warehouse. Pay it and don't worry... it's you n her n the kid at Starbucks. Aluminum vs cast iron: It ain't an
airplane, a couple or three pounds doesn't matter. Iron on iron won't have the corrosion problems aluminum on iron might.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
I like the idea of the aluminum pump because it is not as prone to rust right? but Like Johnny said, there is the dissimilar metals, and it can
corrode.

from my checking around, I seen no need for a "high volume" pump, and the extra $100. I went with the standard pump, and even though I only have like
700 miles on it, my engine temp on the new engine has been of zero worry. It has been exactly where it needs to be.

--
Jon Roche
75 palm beach
St. Cloud, MN
http://lqqkatjon.blogspot.com/
 
Thanks Jonny,

I don't care about the cost and have no problem supporting Jim, just want the absolute best possible pump, Jim's Cardone it is.
--
77 Kingsley
 
I'm parroting Tom Pryor, who did the research. I think he's right.

--johnny
--
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
We may not be talking the same thing here, but the big impeller (high volume) pump is the way to go. That is what came OEM on the coach for a reason.
I currently have a 4.25" NAPA pump installed and a spare HD Cardone 4.5" impeller one in stock ready to go if the NAPA one ever fails. There are 3
bypasses in out cooling system that move coolant almost all of the time. There is one at the thermostat housing, the cabin heater and the and the
water heater in the bath module. After all of those moving coolant all the time then we need to move the coolant through the engine radiator when
the thermostat is opens.

Lots of people have managed to get by with a lower volume pump but why bother when the HD pump with roller bearing and large pump is available from
multiple manufacturers at approximately the same price. Over the years some of the manufactures or suppliers decided to call the HD and the regular
pump the same thing and consolidated the part numbers. NAPA did that for a while and it was potluck when you ordered one if you were getting the HD
version or not. I finally had the local store order every one in stock from their warehouse and then only accepted the ones with the large impeller.
I also later found that the Indianapolis and Knoxville warehouses had them stocked separately but Chicago combined them under one number.

The end result is Tom Pryor figured out how to guarantee you were getting the HD version from Cardone Select every time. So why not just go with it.
Order from wherever you like. If you get it from Jim K. at Applied GMC you know that you will get the correct part the first time.

I see no need or reason to use an aluminum water pump on a cast iron engine.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
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