New Tires

[darren paget]

It seems that most people have a hard time picking tires. I do not
profess to be an expert but a little research goes a long ways. If the
tires you have are suspect, then go to your tire shop and have them
evaluated. Most tire shops are honest, at least I believe that, and will
give you a good evaluation. I do not understand the big hoopla about
Goodyear 159's or whatever they are. When I was picking up my 26' in New
Mexico, the tires that were on it were seriously deteriorated. Not
wanting to part with a whole lot of money I ventured to the recommended
shop to purchase some used ones (7 of them). Picked up a fairly
reasonable set for just under $160.00 U.S., drove the 2000 miles back
home and didn't have any problems. When I got home I found that the
alignment in the rear was a little off, because one of the forward rears
showed some wear on only one side of the tread. Weather the tires are
"E" rated or "D" the most important thing is that its load carrying
ability is stamped on the tire itself. The easiest solution seems to be
to weigh your coach and add a reasonable amount for cargo and pick your
tires. Remember to weigh each axle separately. Also it is a good idea to
buy a matched set as this will ensure the coach will track properly. As
far as the age thing goes, as it applies to tires, it is a simple thing
to get checked. If it ain't broke and you don't want to upgrade then
don't fix it. My .05 cents(canadian) worth. Darren

> -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
>
> I love my Goodyear tires
> They are only 6 years old
> I am at serious risk
> So I am told
>
> The tread is thick and healthy
> What a waste
> You can see they look real good
> Am I acting in haste?
>
> Can I afford a blow-out
> That may tear out the GMC's side
> A blow-out at 60
> Might be suicide
>
> Please Mr. Tire Man
> Please take my money
> You have saved me worry and anguish
> You have saved me aplenty
>
> Gene
>
> --
> Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA
>
> GMC Technical Information
> http://www.california.com/~eagle/

 

[thomas g. warner]

We seem to be revisting the topic of suitable load range tires for the GMC
motorhomes time and time again and I don't understand why. the statement "I
do not understand the big hoopla about Goodyear 159's or whatever they are",
shows that there is still some confusion or lack of why we need E rated
tires. Simply said D rated tires are not safe or suitable for the GMC
motorhome.

Eugene what you have described might be OK it we were going to park our
coachs in the driveway and not drive them. The static(non-moving)forces on
the tires would be all they would have to contend with. However most of us
would like to drive the coach and that is where the problems start. The
dynamic (moving) forces on the tires and suspension changes everything. D
rated tires just do not have the load carrying capacity, or sidewall
strength to reliably serve the coach under all conditions.. Remember the
rear bogies are only constrained by the air bags and the shocks. Add to that
many coaches with worn pins and bushings and you spell trouble! GMC
motorhome have much higher lateral forces on them than a conventional rear
suspension. General Motors saw that very quickly and recalled all of the D
rated tires and replaced them with E rated ones.

While some people might get away with the D rated tires sometimes, most will
not. And as they age it only gets worse. I don't know about the rest of
you, but I will never put D rated tires on my coach and take the chance of a
catastrophic failure again. For the few extra dollars who needs that kind of
stress?

I previously described the event last month when I had 2 tires fail on the
same day. The first I caught before it blew, a large split down the center
of the tire causing a very notable shudder in the coach about 40MPH. I
stopped and changed that one. The second was a disaster, blowing at 55MPH.
If you were to see how bad the tire blew apart you would shudder. Luckily
it happened on a little travelled 4 lane highway or it would have been a
REAL disaster. When the tire blew it sheared off the air to the right air
bag and the whole suspension dropped to its lowest.Felt like a bomb going
off under the coach, and since the coach dropped so fast, the shredded tire
beat the coach to death. It tore off a part of the generator door. It
could have been much much worse. who needs that kind of damage to the coach
for such a little difference in price for the tires? The generator door
costs $300 to replace.

I hope that everyone recognizes this potential problem and makes the right
choice. Just think of what could happen if you had been travelling to
Florida in 65MPH traffic in 3 lanes of heavy bumper to bumber traffic and
lost a tire like this. It scares me.

>It seems that most people have a hard time picking tires. I do not
>profess to be an expert but a little research goes a long ways. If the
>tires you have are suspect, then go to your tire shop and have them
>evaluated. Most tire shops are honest, at least I believe that, and will
>give you a good evaluation. I do not understand the big hoopla about
>Goodyear 159's or whatever they are. When I was picking up my 26' in New
>Mexico, the tires that were on it were seriously deteriorated. Not
>wanting to part with a whole lot of money I ventured to the recommended
>shop to purchase some used ones (7 of them). Picked up a fairly
>reasonable set for just under $160.00 U.S., drove the 2000 miles back
>home and didn't have any problems. When I got home I found that the
>alignment in the rear was a little off, because one of the forward rears
>showed some wear on only one side of the tread. Weather the tires are
>"E" rated or "D" the most important thing is that its load carrying
>ability is stamped on the tire itself. The easiest solution seems to be
>to weigh your coach and add a reasonable amount for cargo and pick your
>tires. Remember to weigh each axle separately. Also it is a good idea to
>buy a matched set as this will ensure the coach will track properly. As
>far as the age thing goes, as it applies to tires, it is a simple thing
>to get checked. If it ain't broke and you don't want to upgrade then
>don't fix it. My .05 cents(canadian) worth. Darren
>

>
>> -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
>>
>> I love my Goodyear tires
>> They are only 6 years old
>> I am at serious risk
>> So I am told
>>
>> The tread is thick and healthy
>> What a waste
>> You can see they look real good
>> Am I acting in haste?
>>
>> Can I afford a blow-out
>> That may tear out the GMC's side
>> A blow-out at 60
>> Might be suicide
>>
>> Please Mr. Tire Man
>> Please take my money
>> You have saved me worry and anguish
>> You have saved me aplenty
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> --
>> Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA
>>
>> GMC Technical Information
>> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
>
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach

 

[chuck will]

Just a question! On the inside of the GMC glove box\, there is a lable
affixed to the door that dentifies that a "D" rated tire inflated to 65 PSI for
both the front and rear tires.
Question: When did GMC do the change fromn "D" to "E" and why did they not send
out new stickers to affix to the glove box, or did they and I just did not get
one for that change.
I have always used the "E" rated tires without question, because that is what I
was told to use. No questions asked until now. But the little
sticker remains on my glove box door just just below the fuse box panel and I
always wondered about it each time I open that door to get a map or something
from the glove box. Chuck

> We seem to be revisting the topic of suitable load range tires for the GMC
> motorhomes time and time again and I don't understand why. the statement "I
> do not understand the big hoopla about Goodyear 159's or whatever they are",
> shows that there is still some confusion or lack of why we need E rated
> tires. Simply said D rated tires are not safe or suitable for the GMC
> motorhome.
>
> Eugene what you have described might be OK it we were going to park our
> coachs in the driveway and not drive them. The static(non-moving)forces on
> the tires would be all they would have to contend with. However most of us
> would like to drive the coach and that is where the problems start. The
> dynamic (moving) forces on the tires and suspension changes everything. D
> rated tires just do not have the load carrying capacity, or sidewall
> strength to reliably serve the coach under all conditions.. Remember the
> rear bogies are only constrained by the air bags and the shocks. Add to that
> many coaches with worn pins and bushings and you spell trouble! GMC
> motorhome have much higher lateral forces on them than a conventional rear
> suspension. General Motors saw that very quickly and recalled all of the D
> rated tires and replaced them with E rated ones.
>
> While some people might get away with the D rated tires sometimes, most will
> not. And as they age it only gets worse. I don't know about the rest of
> you, but I will never put D rated tires on my coach and take the chance of a
> catastrophic failure again. For the few extra dollars who needs that kind of
> stress?
>
> I previously described the event last month when I had 2 tires fail on the
> same day. The first I caught before it blew, a large split down the center
> of the tire causing a very notable shudder in the coach about 40MPH. I
> stopped and changed that one. The second was a disaster, blowing at 55MPH.
> If you were to see how bad the tire blew apart you would shudder. Luckily
> it happened on a little travelled 4 lane highway or it would have been a
> REAL disaster. When the tire blew it sheared off the air to the right air
> bag and the whole suspension dropped to its lowest.Felt like a bomb going
> off under the coach, and since the coach dropped so fast, the shredded tire
> beat the coach to death. It tore off a part of the generator door. It
> could have been much much worse. who needs that kind of damage to the coach
> for such a little difference in price for the tires? The generator door
> costs $300 to replace.
>
> I hope that everyone recognizes this potential problem and makes the right
> choice. Just think of what could happen if you had been travelling to
> Florida in 65MPH traffic in 3 lanes of heavy bumper to bumber traffic and
> lost a tire like this. It scares me.
>

> >It seems that most people have a hard time picking tires. I do not
> >profess to be an expert but a little research goes a long ways. If the
> >tires you have are suspect, then go to your tire shop and have them
> >evaluated. Most tire shops are honest, at least I believe that, and will
> >give you a good evaluation. I do not understand the big hoopla about
> >Goodyear 159's or whatever they are. When I was picking up my 26' in New
> >Mexico, the tires that were on it were seriously deteriorated. Not
> >wanting to part with a whole lot of money I ventured to the recommended
> >shop to purchase some used ones (7 of them). Picked up a fairly
> >reasonable set for just under $160.00 U.S., drove the 2000 miles back
> >home and didn't have any problems. When I got home I found that the
> >alignment in the rear was a little off, because one of the forward rears
> >showed some wear on only one side of the tread. Weather the tires are
> >"E" rated or "D" the most important thing is that its load carrying
> >ability is stamped on the tire itself. The easiest solution seems to be
> >to weigh your coach and add a reasonable amount for cargo and pick your
> >tires. Remember to weigh each axle separately. Also it is a good idea to
> >buy a matched set as this will ensure the coach will track properly. As
> >far as the age thing goes, as it applies to tires, it is a simple thing
> >to get checked. If it ain't broke and you don't want to upgrade then
> >don't fix it. My .05 cents(canadian) worth. Darren
> >

> >
> >> -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
> >>
> >> I love my Goodyear tires
> >> They are only 6 years old
> >> I am at serious risk
> >> So I am told
> >>
> >> The tread is thick and healthy
> >> What a waste
> >> You can see they look real good
> >> Am I acting in haste?
> >>
> >> Can I afford a blow-out
> >> That may tear out the GMC's side
> >> A blow-out at 60
> >> Might be suicide
> >>
> >> Please Mr. Tire Man
> >> Please take my money
> >> You have saved me worry and anguish
> >> You have saved me aplenty
> >>
> >> Gene
> >>
> >> --
> >> Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA
> >>
> >> GMC Technical Information
> >> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Tom & Marg Warner
> Vernon Center NY
> 1976 palmbeach

 

[thomas g. warner]

I have the same sticker and asked the same questions. From what I remember
they recalled the tires and replaced them with E rated tires sometime after
they stopped making the coaches. Did the same thing with the rear pins and
bushings.

>Just a question! On the inside of the GMC glove box\, there is a lable
>affixed to the door that dentifies that a "D" rated tire inflated to 65 PSI for
>both the front and rear tires.
>Question: When did GMC do the change fromn "D" to "E" and why did they not
send
>out new stickers to affix to the glove box, or did they and I just did not get
>one for that change.
>I have always used the "E" rated tires without question, because that is
what I
>was told to use. No questions asked until now. But the little
>sticker remains on my glove box door just just below the fuse box panel and I
>always wondered about it each time I open that door to get a map or something
>from the glove box. Chuck
>

>
>> We seem to be revisting the topic of suitable load range tires for the GMC
>> motorhomes time and time again and I don't understand why. the statement "I
>> do not understand the big hoopla about Goodyear 159's or whatever they are",
>> shows that there is still some confusion or lack of why we need E rated
>> tires. Simply said D rated tires are not safe or suitable for the GMC
>> motorhome.
>>
>> Eugene what you have described might be OK it we were going to park our
>> coachs in the driveway and not drive them. The static(non-moving)forces on
>> the tires would be all they would have to contend with. However most of us
>> would like to drive the coach and that is where the problems start. The
>> dynamic (moving) forces on the tires and suspension changes everything. D
>> rated tires just do not have the load carrying capacity, or sidewall
>> strength to reliably serve the coach under all conditions.. Remember the
>> rear bogies are only constrained by the air bags and the shocks. Add to that
>> many coaches with worn pins and bushings and you spell trouble! GMC
>> motorhome have much higher lateral forces on them than a conventional rear
>> suspension. General Motors saw that very quickly and recalled all of the D
>> rated tires and replaced them with E rated ones.
>>
>> While some people might get away with the D rated tires sometimes, most will
>> not. And as they age it only gets worse. I don't know about the rest of
>> you, but I will never put D rated tires on my coach and take the chance of a
>> catastrophic failure again. For the few extra dollars who needs that kind of
>> stress?
>>
>> I previously described the event last month when I had 2 tires fail on the
>> same day. The first I caught before it blew, a large split down the center
>> of the tire causing a very notable shudder in the coach about 40MPH. I
>> stopped and changed that one. The second was a disaster, blowing at 55MPH.
>> If you were to see how bad the tire blew apart you would shudder. Luckily
>> it happened on a little travelled 4 lane highway or it would have been a
>> REAL disaster. When the tire blew it sheared off the air to the right air
>> bag and the whole suspension dropped to its lowest.Felt like a bomb going
>> off under the coach, and since the coach dropped so fast, the shredded tire
>> beat the coach to death. It tore off a part of the generator door. It
>> could have been much much worse. who needs that kind of damage to the coach
>> for such a little difference in price for the tires? The generator door
>> costs $300 to replace.
>>
>> I hope that everyone recognizes this potential problem and makes the right
>> choice. Just think of what could happen if you had been travelling to
>> Florida in 65MPH traffic in 3 lanes of heavy bumper to bumber traffic and
>> lost a tire like this. It scares me.
>>

>> >It seems that most people have a hard time picking tires. I do not
>> >profess to be an expert but a little research goes a long ways. If the
>> >tires you have are suspect, then go to your tire shop and have them
>> >evaluated. Most tire shops are honest, at least I believe that, and will
>> >give you a good evaluation. I do not understand the big hoopla about
>> >Goodyear 159's or whatever they are. When I was picking up my 26' in New
>> >Mexico, the tires that were on it were seriously deteriorated. Not
>> >wanting to part with a whole lot of money I ventured to the recommended
>> >shop to purchase some used ones (7 of them). Picked up a fairly
>> >reasonable set for just under $160.00 U.S., drove the 2000 miles back
>> >home and didn't have any problems. When I got home I found that the
>> >alignment in the rear was a little off, because one of the forward rears
>> >showed some wear on only one side of the tread. Weather the tires are
>> >"E" rated or "D" the most important thing is that its load carrying
>> >ability is stamped on the tire itself. The easiest solution seems to be
>> >to weigh your coach and add a reasonable amount for cargo and pick your
>> >tires. Remember to weigh each axle separately. Also it is a good idea to
>> >buy a matched set as this will ensure the coach will track properly. As
>> >far as the age thing goes, as it applies to tires, it is a simple thing
>> >to get checked. If it ain't broke and you don't want to upgrade then
>> >don't fix it. My .05 cents(canadian) worth. Darren
>> >

>> >
>> >> -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
>> >>
>> >> I love my Goodyear tires
>> >> They are only 6 years old
>> >> I am at serious risk
>> >> So I am told
>> >>
>> >> The tread is thick and healthy
>> >> What a waste
>> >> You can see they look real good
>> >> Am I acting in haste?
>> >>
>> >> Can I afford a blow-out
>> >> That may tear out the GMC's side
>> >> A blow-out at 60
>> >> Might be suicide
>> >>
>> >> Please Mr. Tire Man
>> >> Please take my money
>> >> You have saved me worry and anguish
>> >> You have saved me aplenty
>> >>
>> >> Gene
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA
>> >>
>> >> GMC Technical Information
>> >> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Tom & Marg Warner
>> Vernon Center NY
>> 1976 palmbeach
>
>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach

 

[chuck will]

Ok you got my attention: What about the rear Pins. I have to my knowledge the same
ones that came on the coach. Chuck

> I have the same sticker and asked the same questions. From what I remember
> they recalled the tires and replaced them with E rated tires sometime after
> they stopped making the coaches. Did the same thing with the rear pins and
> bushings.
>

> >Just a question! On the inside of the GMC glove box\, there is a lable
> >affixed to the door that dentifies that a "D" rated tire inflated to 65 PSI for
> >both the front and rear tires.
> >Question: When did GMC do the change fromn "D" to "E" and why did they not
> send
> >out new stickers to affix to the glove box, or did they and I just did not get
> >one for that change.
> >I have always used the "E" rated tires without question, because that is
> what I
> >was told to use. No questions asked until now. But the little
> >sticker remains on my glove box door just just below the fuse box panel and I
> >always wondered about it each time I open that door to get a map or something
> >from the glove box. Chuck
> >

> >
> >> We seem to be revisting the topic of suitable load range tires for the GMC
> >> motorhomes time and time again and I don't understand why. the statement "I
> >> do not understand the big hoopla about Goodyear 159's or whatever they are",
> >> shows that there is still some confusion or lack of why we need E rated
> >> tires. Simply said D rated tires are not safe or suitable for the GMC
> >> motorhome.
> >>
> >> Eugene what you have described might be OK it we were going to park our
> >> coachs in the driveway and not drive them. The static(non-moving)forces on
> >> the tires would be all they would have to contend with. However most of us
> >> would like to drive the coach and that is where the problems start. The
> >> dynamic (moving) forces on the tires and suspension changes everything. D
> >> rated tires just do not have the load carrying capacity, or sidewall
> >> strength to reliably serve the coach under all conditions.. Remember the
> >> rear bogies are only constrained by the air bags and the shocks. Add to that
> >> many coaches with worn pins and bushings and you spell trouble! GMC
> >> motorhome have much higher lateral forces on them than a conventional rear
> >> suspension. General Motors saw that very quickly and recalled all of the D
> >> rated tires and replaced them with E rated ones.
> >>
> >> While some people might get away with the D rated tires sometimes, most will
> >> not. And as they age it only gets worse. I don't know about the rest of
> >> you, but I will never put D rated tires on my coach and take the chance of a
> >> catastrophic failure again. For the few extra dollars who needs that kind of
> >> stress?
> >>
> >> I previously described the event last month when I had 2 tires fail on the
> >> same day. The first I caught before it blew, a large split down the center
> >> of the tire causing a very notable shudder in the coach about 40MPH. I
> >> stopped and changed that one. The second was a disaster, blowing at 55MPH.
> >> If you were to see how bad the tire blew apart you would shudder. Luckily
> >> it happened on a little travelled 4 lane highway or it would have been a
> >> REAL disaster. When the tire blew it sheared off the air to the right air
> >> bag and the whole suspension dropped to its lowest.Felt like a bomb going
> >> off under the coach, and since the coach dropped so fast, the shredded tire
> >> beat the coach to death. It tore off a part of the generator door. It
> >> could have been much much worse. who needs that kind of damage to the coach
> >> for such a little difference in price for the tires? The generator door
> >> costs $300 to replace.
> >>
> >> I hope that everyone recognizes this potential problem and makes the right
> >> choice. Just think of what could happen if you had been travelling to
> >> Florida in 65MPH traffic in 3 lanes of heavy bumper to bumber traffic and
> >> lost a tire like this. It scares me.
> >>

> >> >It seems that most people have a hard time picking tires. I do not
> >> >profess to be an expert but a little research goes a long ways. If the
> >> >tires you have are suspect, then go to your tire shop and have them
> >> >evaluated. Most tire shops are honest, at least I believe that, and will
> >> >give you a good evaluation. I do not understand the big hoopla about
> >> >Goodyear 159's or whatever they are. When I was picking up my 26' in New
> >> >Mexico, the tires that were on it were seriously deteriorated. Not
> >> >wanting to part with a whole lot of money I ventured to the recommended
> >> >shop to purchase some used ones (7 of them). Picked up a fairly
> >> >reasonable set for just under $160.00 U.S., drove the 2000 miles back
> >> >home and didn't have any problems. When I got home I found that the
> >> >alignment in the rear was a little off, because one of the forward rears
> >> >showed some wear on only one side of the tread. Weather the tires are
> >> >"E" rated or "D" the most important thing is that its load carrying
> >> >ability is stamped on the tire itself. The easiest solution seems to be
> >> >to weigh your coach and add a reasonable amount for cargo and pick your
> >> >tires. Remember to weigh each axle separately. Also it is a good idea to
> >> >buy a matched set as this will ensure the coach will track properly. As
> >> >far as the age thing goes, as it applies to tires, it is a simple thing
> >> >to get checked. If it ain't broke and you don't want to upgrade then
> >> >don't fix it. My .05 cents(canadian) worth. Darren
> >> >

> >> >
> >> >> -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
> >> >>
> >> >> I love my Goodyear tires
> >> >> They are only 6 years old
> >> >> I am at serious risk
> >> >> So I am told
> >> >>
> >> >> The tread is thick and healthy
> >> >> What a waste
> >> >> You can see they look real good
> >> >> Am I acting in haste?
> >> >>
> >> >> Can I afford a blow-out
> >> >> That may tear out the GMC's side
> >> >> A blow-out at 60
> >> >> Might be suicide
> >> >>
> >> >> Please Mr. Tire Man
> >> >> Please take my money
> >> >> You have saved me worry and anguish
> >> >> You have saved me aplenty
> >> >>
> >> >> Gene
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA
> >> >>
> >> >> GMC Technical Information
> >> >> http://www.california.com/~eagle/
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Tom & Marg Warner
> >> Vernon Center NY
> >> 1976 palmbeach
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Tom & Marg Warner
> Vernon Center NY
> 1976 palmbeach

 

[none]

Gene......I love old Goodyear tires with lots of tread. Will they fit my
stock rims? When you finally become so insecure you can't handle it any
more I'd probably take them off your hands if the price was right.
Jim Davis, 77 Coca Cola
Bandon, Oregon

- -----Original Message-----
From: MR EUGENE R FISHER [SMTP:JDDP32B]
Sent: Monday, November 16, 1998 4:00 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: GMC: New Tires

- -- [ From: Eugene Fisher * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --

I love my Goodyear tires
They are only 6 years old
I am at serious risk
So I am told

The tread is thick and healthy
What a waste
You can see they look real good
Am I acting in haste?

Can I afford a blow-out
That may tear out the GMC's side
A blow-out at 60
Might be suicide

Please Mr. Tire Man
Please take my money
You have saved me worry and anguish
You have saved me aplenty

Gene

- --
Gene 76Palm Beach /Or/CA

GMC Technical Information
http://www.california.com/~eagle/