How many batteries in your coaches?

thomas g. warner

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I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks, although I
am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true, however it would
depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where they
are mounted?

There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The house
battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller amounts of
current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The engine
battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of current
for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.

Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you need the 40+.

How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in their
coaches?

>Thom:
>
>I agree that the alternator will charge the engine battery, but only when
>the engine is running, and don't deny that a number of coaches may have only
>two batteries. However, in my case, as I mentioned, I have three batteries,
>one of which is the engine battery.
>
>I'm not advocating that everyone needs the Truecharge 40+, but I feel I do
>because of having three batteries.
>
>My original point was that there are frequently times when a coach is not
>used for weeks or months and the engine battery still needs to be or should
>be "maintained" for greatest longevity. Therefore, I don't agree that the
>maximum benefits are obtained if the engine battery isn't hooked up to a
>Truecharge type unit. On the other hand, it's up to each individual to
>determine their own configuration.
>
>I was merely trying to point out the benefits, as I see them, of connecting
>"ALL" coach batteries to a modern day "charger".
>
> Paul
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:20 PM
>To: gmcmotorhome
>Subject: RE: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
>
>Paul there seems to be some confusion relative to what the Truecharge 40
>will do. It will replace the old ferroresonant unit(original equipment). It
>will support two battery BANKS(not batteries) simultaneously. That means it
>will service 2 golf batteries connected in series, or one large 12V battery
>(1 bank) for the house battery, and one other battery bank. The majority of
>GMC coaches have just 2 battery banks. The house battery(installed near the
>generator) and the engine battery (installed on the passenger side front of
>the coach). All we really need is a charger for one battery bank since the
>alternator services the engine battery.
>Hope that this clarifies the issue.
>
>I can't really see where we need the 40+ unit. It is overkill for our use,
>unless we just want to spend money on the latest technology.
>

>
>I went back and read Wes Coughlin's article on the Truecharge 40+ in the Sep
>98/Issue 17, GMC Motorhome News (Cinnabar) newsletter and see where that
>model is needed if you want to maintain more than two coach batteries (I
>have three in my 78 Royale).
>
>There are times when a coach is not used for weeks or months at a time.
>
>Keeping batteries, including the engine battery, at their optimal state of
>charge is important to their longevity. This is where the new generation of
>chargers, such as the Statpower Truecharge 40/Truecharge 40+ series, shine
>with their 21-day maintenance cycle, according to Wes's article. All one
>needs to do to take advantage of the cycle, is be plugged into shore power.
>
>The battery "boiling" phenomena resulting from being plugged in is no longer
>a concern with unit's such as Statpower's.
>
>IMO, it would be beneficial to use a unit that is configured to connect to
>ALL of the coach batteries.
>
>In my case, although the price for the former refurbished unit is attractive
>from Statpower, it only supports a maximum of two batteries, and therefore I
>need their later unit.
>
>Don't know if anyone thought of it or not, but it seems to me that there is
>an economic savings (not to mention the convenience of always having charged
>batteries), to stretching out the life cycle of our batteries by replacing
>our original ferroresonant converter - charger with a modern day "charger".
>
>Doing so also eliminates the humm associated with the original units, as
>well as the audio interference associated with using a 12 v powered TV or
>stereo equipment. All of these benefits are not available when using
>individual inverter units.
>
>Incidentally, in my research I noted from Statpower's web site that
>Foretravel has recently changed over to the Statpower PROsine 2.5 inverter
>exclusively for their coaches. I talked to Foretravel's electrical engineer
>the other day and he tells me the reliability of Statpower's units is
>superior to what they previously utilized.
>
> Paul Bartz.
>
>From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:32 AM
>Subject: Re: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
>
>I would use the 40 in this situration. You do not have to charge the engine
>battery with this set up so the two banks of the 40 would service your
>generator battery and the 2 golf batteries At 09:13 PM 12/17/98 -0800, you
>wrote:
>

>
>Tom,
>
>I have 1 battery in back that is isolated for the generator, 1 up front to
>start the engine, and a pair of 6 volt golf cart batteries (also up front)
>for the coach, and want to replace my OEM converter/charger. I'm pretty sure
>I need the 40, rather than the 40+, but need to do a little more research to
>know for sure. Assuming I need the 40, I'd be interested in a unit with the
>led monitor.
>
>Dave Lowry, '76 Royale, Santa Barbara
>
>Sounds like you have it backwards because the 40 can only charge 2 battery
>banks and the 40+ can charge 3 banks.
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
reply to how many batteries:
my 1973 painted desert - 3 battries
1-house deep cycle (up front)
1-engine battery (up front) next to house battery
1-Generator Battery(in generator compartment-deepcycle
(note -this battery is independant
(of the other batteries-and is only
(charged from the generator

>
> I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks,
although I
> am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true, however
it would
> depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where
they
> are mounted?
>
> There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The
house
> battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller
amounts of
> current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
> starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The
engine
> battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of
current
> for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>
> Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you need
the 40+.
>
> How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in
their
> coaches?
>

> >Thom:
> >
> >I agree that the alternator will charge the engine battery, but
only when
> >the engine is running, and don't deny that a number of coaches may
have only
> >two batteries. However, in my case, as I mentioned, I have three
batteries,
> >one of which is the engine battery.
> >
> >I'm not advocating that everyone needs the Truecharge 40+, but I
feel I do
> >because of having three batteries.
> >
> >My original point was that there are frequently times when a coach
is not
> >used for weeks or months and the engine battery still needs to be
or should
> >be "maintained" for greatest longevity. Therefore, I don't agree
that the
> >maximum benefits are obtained if the engine battery isn't hooked up
to a
> >Truecharge type unit. On the other hand, it's up to each
individual to
> >determine their own configuration.
> >
> >I was merely trying to point out the benefits, as I see them, of
connecting
> >"ALL" coach batteries to a modern day "charger".
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:20 PM
> >To: gmcmotorhome
> >Subject: RE: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
> >
> >Paul there seems to be some confusion relative to what the
Truecharge 40
> >will do. It will replace the old ferroresonant unit(original
equipment). It
> >will support two battery BANKS(not batteries) simultaneously. That
means it
> >will service 2 golf batteries connected in series, or one large 12V
battery
> >(1 bank) for the house battery, and one other battery bank. The
majority of
> >GMC coaches have just 2 battery banks. The house battery(installed
near the
> >generator) and the engine battery (installed on the passenger side
front of
> >the coach). All we really need is a charger for one battery bank
since the
> >alternator services the engine battery.
> >Hope that this clarifies the issue.
> >
> >I can't really see where we need the 40+ unit. It is overkill for
our use,
> >unless we just want to spend money on the latest technology.
> >

> >
> >I went back and read Wes Coughlin's article on the Truecharge 40+
in the Sep
> >98/Issue 17, GMC Motorhome News (Cinnabar) newsletter and see where
that
> >model is needed if you want to maintain more than two coach
batteries (I
> >have three in my 78 Royale).
> >
> >There are times when a coach is not used for weeks or months at a
time.
> >
> >Keeping batteries, including the engine battery, at their optimal
state of
> >charge is important to their longevity. This is where the new
generation of
> >chargers, such as the Statpower Truecharge 40/Truecharge 40+
series, shine
> >with their 21-day maintenance cycle, according to Wes's article.
All one
> >needs to do to take advantage of the cycle, is be plugged into
shore power.
> >
> >The battery "boiling" phenomena resulting from being plugged in is
no longer
> >a concern with unit's such as Statpower's.
> >
> >IMO, it would be beneficial to use a unit that is configured to
connect to
> >ALL of the coach batteries.
> >
> >In my case, although the price for the former refurbished unit is
attractive
> >from Statpower, it only supports a maximum of two batteries, and
therefore I
> >need their later unit.
> >
> >Don't know if anyone thought of it or not, but it seems to me that
there is
> >an economic savings (not to mention the convenience of always
having charged
> >batteries), to stretching out the life cycle of our batteries by
replacing
> >our original ferroresonant converter - charger with a modern day
"charger".
> >
> >Doing so also eliminates the humm associated with the original
units, as
> >well as the audio interference associated with using a 12 v powered
TV or
> >stereo equipment. All of these benefits are not available when using
> >individual inverter units.
> >
> >Incidentally, in my research I noted from Statpower's web site that
> >Foretravel has recently changed over to the Statpower PROsine 2.5
inverter
> >exclusively for their coaches. I talked to Foretravel's electrical
engineer
> >the other day and he tells me the reliability of Statpower's units is
> >superior to what they previously utilized.
> >
> > Paul Bartz.
> >
> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
> >Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
> >
> >I would use the 40 in this situration. You do not have to charge
the engine
> >battery with this set up so the two banks of the 40 would service
your
> >generator battery and the 2 golf batteries At 09:13 PM 12/17/98
- -0800, you
> >wrote:
> >

> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >I have 1 battery in back that is isolated for the generator, 1 up
front to
> >start the engine, and a pair of 6 volt golf cart batteries (also up
front)
> >for the coach, and want to replace my OEM converter/charger. I'm
pretty sure
> >I need the 40, rather than the 40+, but need to do a little more
research to
> >know for sure. Assuming I need the 40, I'd be interested in a unit
with the
> >led monitor.
> >
> >Dave Lowry, '76 Royale, Santa Barbara
> >
> >Sounds like you have it backwards because the 40 can only charge 2
battery
> >banks and the 40+ can charge 3 banks.
> >
> >
> >
> Tom & Marg Warner
> Vernon Center NY
> 1976 palmbeach
>
>

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Tom,

We have only 2 banks, but we have 3 batteries in the house bank and 1 in
the starting bank. They are all 12 volt deep cycle/starting, and the house
batteries are all in parallel. Apparently many people have the Onan
battery as a separate bank to ensure that the Onan will always have a good
battery. Our generator (Honda) draws off the house bank (though the
starting battery probably would be better). We would prefer a higher amp
capability, but we are seriously considering the 40 because of its good
features and low price.

I was wondering if the 40 has the 21 day cycle like the 40+. This seems
like a feature that would be nice to have for the winter months when the
GMC rarely gets used, although probably not worth the >$200 difference
between the 40 and 40+.

Zak

>I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks, although I
>am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true, however it would
>depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where they
>are mounted?
>
>There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The house
>battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller amounts of
>current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
>starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The engine
>battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of current
>for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>
>Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you need the 40+.
>
>How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in their
>coaches?
>
 
I have three batterys ( Or Had ). They
were junk when I got the coach. I had
one in the generator box, And two up
front.
Rob Teed 74 Painted Desert

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Thomas G.
> Warner
> Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 5:38 PM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: RE: GMC: How many batteries in your coaches?
>
>
> I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks,
> although I
> am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true,
> however it would
> depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where they
> are mounted?
>
> There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The house
> battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller
> amounts of
> current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
> starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The engine
> battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of current
> for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>
> Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you
> need the 40+.
>
> How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in their
> coaches?
>

> >Thom:
> >
> >I agree that the alternator will charge the engine battery, but only when
> >the engine is running, and don't deny that a number of coaches
> may have only
> >two batteries. However, in my case, as I mentioned, I have
> three batteries,
> >one of which is the engine battery.
> >
> >I'm not advocating that everyone needs the Truecharge 40+, but I
> feel I do
> >because of having three batteries.
> >
> >My original point was that there are frequently times when a coach is not
> >used for weeks or months and the engine battery still needs to
> be or should
> >be "maintained" for greatest longevity. Therefore, I don't
> agree that the
> >maximum benefits are obtained if the engine battery isn't hooked up to a
> >Truecharge type unit. On the other hand, it's up to each individual to
> >determine their own configuration.
> >
> >I was merely trying to point out the benefits, as I see them, of
> connecting
> >"ALL" coach batteries to a modern day "charger".
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
> >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:20 PM
> >To: gmcmotorhome
> >Subject: RE: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
> >
> >Paul there seems to be some confusion relative to what the Truecharge 40
> >will do. It will replace the old ferroresonant unit(original
> equipment). It
> >will support two battery BANKS(not batteries) simultaneously.
> That means it
> >will service 2 golf batteries connected in series, or one large
> 12V battery
> >(1 bank) for the house battery, and one other battery bank. The
> majority of
> >GMC coaches have just 2 battery banks. The house
> battery(installed near the
> >generator) and the engine battery (installed on the passenger
> side front of
> >the coach). All we really need is a charger for one battery
> bank since the
> >alternator services the engine battery.
> >Hope that this clarifies the issue.
> >
> >I can't really see where we need the 40+ unit. It is overkill
> for our use,
> >unless we just want to spend money on the latest technology.
> >

> >
> >I went back and read Wes Coughlin's article on the Truecharge
> 40+ in the Sep
> >98/Issue 17, GMC Motorhome News (Cinnabar) newsletter and see where that
> >model is needed if you want to maintain more than two coach batteries (I
> >have three in my 78 Royale).
> >
> >There are times when a coach is not used for weeks or months at a time.
> >
> >Keeping batteries, including the engine battery, at their
> optimal state of
> >charge is important to their longevity. This is where the new
> generation of
> >chargers, such as the Statpower Truecharge 40/Truecharge 40+
> series, shine
> >with their 21-day maintenance cycle, according to Wes's article. All one
> >needs to do to take advantage of the cycle, is be plugged into
> shore power.
> >
> >The battery "boiling" phenomena resulting from being plugged in
> is no longer
> >a concern with unit's such as Statpower's.
> >
> >IMO, it would be beneficial to use a unit that is configured to
> connect to
> >ALL of the coach batteries.
> >
> >In my case, although the price for the former refurbished unit
> is attractive
> >from Statpower, it only supports a maximum of two batteries, and
> therefore I
> >need their later unit.
> >
> >Don't know if anyone thought of it or not, but it seems to me
> that there is
> >an economic savings (not to mention the convenience of always
> having charged
> >batteries), to stretching out the life cycle of our batteries by
> replacing
> >our original ferroresonant converter - charger with a modern day
> "charger".
> >
> >Doing so also eliminates the humm associated with the original units, as
> >well as the audio interference associated with using a 12 v powered TV or
> >stereo equipment. All of these benefits are not available when using
> >individual inverter units.
> >
> >Incidentally, in my research I noted from Statpower's web site that
> >Foretravel has recently changed over to the Statpower PROsine
> 2.5 inverter
> >exclusively for their coaches. I talked to Foretravel's
> electrical engineer
> >the other day and he tells me the reliability of Statpower's units is
> >superior to what they previously utilized.
> >
> > Paul Bartz.
> >
> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
> >Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
> >
> >I would use the 40 in this situration. You do not have to
> charge the engine
> >battery with this set up so the two banks of the 40 would service your
> >generator battery and the 2 golf batteries At 09:13 PM 12/17/98
> -0800, you
> >wrote:
> >

> >
> >Tom,
> >
> >I have 1 battery in back that is isolated for the generator, 1
> up front to
> >start the engine, and a pair of 6 volt golf cart batteries (also
> up front)
> >for the coach, and want to replace my OEM converter/charger. I'm
> pretty sure
> >I need the 40, rather than the 40+, but need to do a little more
> research to
> >know for sure. Assuming I need the 40, I'd be interested in a
> unit with the
> >led monitor.
> >
> >Dave Lowry, '76 Royale, Santa Barbara
> >
> >Sounds like you have it backwards because the 40 can only charge
> 2 battery
> >banks and the 40+ can charge 3 banks.
> >
> >
> >
> Tom & Marg Warner
> Vernon Center NY
> 1976 palmbeach
>
>
 
I have three batteries in two banks.

Engine starting battry and two golf cart house batteries.

Happy Holidays From Southern Florida

David Lee Greenberg
GMC Motorhome Registry
 
Emery,

The batteries are not isolated. We know it is not the ideal situation, but
we seem to get pretty good life out of the batteries anyway. We like the
extra capacity. It would cost enough extra to get the two big 6V batteries
needed for the same capacity, that we can change the cheaper and easier to
get 12V batteries much more often. We also replace all the batteries at
the same time and get all of the same type. This way, any differences
between the best and worst battery capacities should be small. Since we
would probably change both 6V batteries at the same time as well if any
problems developed, it really doesn't matter if one 12V battery kills the
other 12V batteries. They would all get changed whether they needed it or
not anyway.

Zak

>I hope that the three house batteries that you say are in parallel are
>separated by battery isolators because you should never put batteries in
>parallel by just connecting their terminals. First, they will only charge up
>to the capacity of the weakest battery; secondly, if you get a shorted cell
>in one battery it will most likely ruin the other batteries.
>
>The typical GMC has two banks with either a single 12v or two 6 v in series
>for the house bank and one 12 v. for the engine battery. The two banks are
>isolated so as to allow the engine alternator to charge both to the full
>capacity of both banks, but not to allow the engine or the house bank to
drain
>the other (unless the booster switch is pushed).
>
>Emery Stora
>77 Kingsley
>Santa Fe, NM
>
>
 
Mike:

Not heard of a thermal oil battery before. How does it differ from the
common ole' wet cell battery?? What advantages does it give you and how
does it compare in price? Where do you get it??

Paul Bartz

From: Priceml [mailto:Priceml]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: How many batteries in your coaches?

For the last 11 years I have had 4 batteries in my 74 Canyon Lands 2 in the
generator compartment,2 up front on the passenger side.The generator starts
off the house battery.I just replaced the 3 house batteries with 2 Thermal
Oil Batteries.
 
Is this the original factory configuration or has someone changed it. Seems
like extra weight for something that is so seldom used to have a generator
battery (especially a deep cycle one).

>reply to how many batteries:
>my 1973 painted desert - 3 battries
>1-house deep cycle (up front)
>1-engine battery (up front) next to house battery
>1-Generator Battery(in generator compartment-deepcycle
> (note -this battery is independant
> (of the other batteries-and is only
> (charged from the generator
>
>
>
>

>>
>> I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks,
>although I
>> am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true, however
>it would
>> depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where
>they
>> are mounted?
>>
>> There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The
>house
>> battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller
>amounts of
>> current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
>> starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The
>engine
>> battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of
>current
>> for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>>
>> Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you need
>the 40+.
>>
>> How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in
>their
>> coaches?
>>

>> >Thom:
>> >
>> >I agree that the alternator will charge the engine battery, but
>only when
>> >the engine is running, and don't deny that a number of coaches may
>have only
>> >two batteries. However, in my case, as I mentioned, I have three
>batteries,
>> >one of which is the engine battery.
>> >
>> >I'm not advocating that everyone needs the Truecharge 40+, but I
>feel I do
>> >because of having three batteries.
>> >
>> >My original point was that there are frequently times when a coach
>is not
>> >used for weeks or months and the engine battery still needs to be
>or should
>> >be "maintained" for greatest longevity. Therefore, I don't agree
>that the
>> >maximum benefits are obtained if the engine battery isn't hooked up
>to a
>> >Truecharge type unit. On the other hand, it's up to each
>individual to
>> >determine their own configuration.
>> >
>> >I was merely trying to point out the benefits, as I see them, of
>connecting
>> >"ALL" coach batteries to a modern day "charger".
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>> >Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 4:20 PM
>> >To: gmcmotorhome
>> >Subject: RE: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
>> >
>> >Paul there seems to be some confusion relative to what the
>Truecharge 40
>> >will do. It will replace the old ferroresonant unit(original
>equipment). It
>> >will support two battery BANKS(not batteries) simultaneously. That
>means it
>> >will service 2 golf batteries connected in series, or one large 12V
>battery
>> >(1 bank) for the house battery, and one other battery bank. The
>majority of
>> >GMC coaches have just 2 battery banks. The house battery(installed
>near the
>> >generator) and the engine battery (installed on the passenger side
>front of
>> >the coach). All we really need is a charger for one battery bank
>since the
>> >alternator services the engine battery.
>> >Hope that this clarifies the issue.
>> >
>> >I can't really see where we need the 40+ unit. It is overkill for
>our use,
>> >unless we just want to spend money on the latest technology.
>> >

>> >
>> >I went back and read Wes Coughlin's article on the Truecharge 40+
>in the Sep
>> >98/Issue 17, GMC Motorhome News (Cinnabar) newsletter and see where
>that
>> >model is needed if you want to maintain more than two coach
>batteries (I
>> >have three in my 78 Royale).
>> >
>> >There are times when a coach is not used for weeks or months at a
>time.
>> >
>> >Keeping batteries, including the engine battery, at their optimal
>state of
>> >charge is important to their longevity. This is where the new
>generation of
>> >chargers, such as the Statpower Truecharge 40/Truecharge 40+
>series, shine
>> >with their 21-day maintenance cycle, according to Wes's article.
>All one
>> >needs to do to take advantage of the cycle, is be plugged into
>shore power.
>> >
>> >The battery "boiling" phenomena resulting from being plugged in is
>no longer
>> >a concern with unit's such as Statpower's.
>> >
>> >IMO, it would be beneficial to use a unit that is configured to
>connect to
>> >ALL of the coach batteries.
>> >
>> >In my case, although the price for the former refurbished unit is
>attractive
>> >from Statpower, it only supports a maximum of two batteries, and
>therefore I
>> >need their later unit.
>> >
>> >Don't know if anyone thought of it or not, but it seems to me that
>there is
>> >an economic savings (not to mention the convenience of always
>having charged
>> >batteries), to stretching out the life cycle of our batteries by
>replacing
>> >our original ferroresonant converter - charger with a modern day
>"charger".
>> >
>> >Doing so also eliminates the humm associated with the original
>units, as
>> >well as the audio interference associated with using a 12 v powered
>TV or
>> >stereo equipment. All of these benefits are not available when using
>> >individual inverter units.
>> >
>> >Incidentally, in my research I noted from Statpower's web site that
>> >Foretravel has recently changed over to the Statpower PROsine 2.5
>inverter
>> >exclusively for their coaches. I talked to Foretravel's electrical
>engineer
>> >the other day and he tells me the reliability of Statpower's units is
>> >superior to what they previously utilized.
>> >
>> > Paul Bartz.
>> >
>> >From: Thomas G. Warner [mailto:warner]
>> >Sent: Friday, December 18, 1998 8:32 AM
>> >Subject: Re: GMC: Statpower truecharger 40 smart charger
>> >
>> >I would use the 40 in this situration. You do not have to charge
>the engine
>> >battery with this set up so the two banks of the 40 would service
>your
>> >generator battery and the 2 golf batteries At 09:13 PM 12/17/98
>-0800, you
>> >wrote:
>> >

>> >
>> >Tom,
>> >
>> >I have 1 battery in back that is isolated for the generator, 1 up
>front to
>> >start the engine, and a pair of 6 volt golf cart batteries (also up
>front)
>> >for the coach, and want to replace my OEM converter/charger. I'm
>pretty sure
>> >I need the 40, rather than the 40+, but need to do a little more
>research to
>> >know for sure. Assuming I need the 40, I'd be interested in a unit
>with the
>> >led monitor.
>> >
>> >Dave Lowry, '76 Royale, Santa Barbara
>> >
>> >Sounds like you have it backwards because the 40 can only charge 2
>battery
>> >banks and the 40+ can charge 3 banks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Tom & Marg Warner
>> Vernon Center NY
>> 1976 palmbeach
>>
>>
>
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>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Zak the 40 has the 21 day feature. As far as I can tell from talking to
Statpower the only real difference is that the 40+ will act as a 12 volt DC
power supply without being hooked up to a battery. Since ours will replace
the original converter and be permanently attached to the house battery
seems like no advantage to me.

I am interested in how your house batteries are connected? 2 six volt
batteries in series and one 12volt in parallel with them?

>Tom,
>
>We have only 2 banks, but we have 3 batteries in the house bank and 1 in
>the starting bank. They are all 12 volt deep cycle/starting, and the house
>batteries are all in parallel. Apparently many people have the Onan
>battery as a separate bank to ensure that the Onan will always have a good
>battery. Our generator (Honda) draws off the house bank (though the
>starting battery probably would be better). We would prefer a higher amp
>capability, but we are seriously considering the 40 because of its good
>features and low price.
>
>I was wondering if the 40 has the 21 day cycle like the 40+. This seems
>like a feature that would be nice to have for the winter months when the
>GMC rarely gets used, although probably not worth the >$200 difference
>between the 40 and 40+.
>
>Zak
>
>
>
>

>>I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2 battery banks, although I
>>am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be true, however it would
>>depend on how your batteries are used, what type they are, and where they
>>are mounted?
>>
>>There is a big difference between the two kinds of batteries. The house
>>battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of giving smaller amounts of
>>current for a long period of time, and it does not function well as a
>>starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of current . The engine
>>battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large amounts of current
>>for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>>
>>Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery banks you need the 40+.
>>
>>How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in their
>>coaches?
>>
>
>
>
Tom & Marg Warner
Vernon Center NY
1976 palmbeach
 
Tom,

Thanks for the info on the 40. It is looking better all the time!

Our 3 house batteries are all 12V batteries in parallel.

Zak

>Zak the 40 has the 21 day feature. As far as I can tell from talking to
>Statpower the only real difference is that the 40+ will act as a 12 volt DC
>power supply without being hooked up to a battery. Since ours will replace
>the original converter and be permanently attached to the house battery
>seems like no advantage to me.
>
>I am interested in how your house batteries are connected? 2 six volt
>batteries in series and one 12volt in parallel with them?
 
I have 3: a pair of 12v coach batteries wired in parallel (these are charged
by the first charging circuit of the Statpower) and one 12v engine battery
(which I have hooked up to the second charging circuit of the Statpower.)

Richard Guthart
'77 Birchaven

>reply to how many batteries
 
>Is this the original factory configuration or has someone changed it. Seems
>like extra weight for something that is so seldom used to have a generator
>battery (especially a deep cycle one).
>
>

>>reply to how many batteries:
>>my 1973 painted desert - 3 battries
>>1-house deep cycle (up front)
>>1-engine battery (up front) next to house battery
>>1-Generator Battery(in generator compartment-deepcycle
>> (note -this battery is independant
>> (of the other batteries-and is only
>> (charged from the generator
>>
>

Thats way our 73 is configured as well , 3 batteries.

John Szalay
73 Painted Desert
 
Richard:

What led you to have two coach (so called "house" batteries, I assume?)
wired together? Do you do more dry camping where you need the capacity as
opposed to being plugged into shore power???

Paul Bartz

From: Richard Guthart [mailto:rguthart]
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 1998 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: GMC: How many batteries in your coaches?

I have 3: a pair of 12v coach batteries wired in parallel (these are charged
by the first charging circuit of the Statpower) and one 12v engine battery
(which I have hooked up to the second charging circuit of the Statpower.)
 
Merry Christmas from another lurker.

Our 74 Elganza SE has the same setup
ie: house and engine battery in the front
on the passenger side and 2nd house and
genset battery in the back.

Bob Morris
Jayhawk
74 Elganza SE
Cortland NY

- -----Original Message-----
From: HLBF
To: gmcmotorhome
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: GMC: How many batteries in your coaches?

>
>>
>> > How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in
their
>> > coaches?
>> >
>My '73 has 3: Start & Living Area up front, genset in back. My '77 Royale
had
>the same setup.
>Lanier
 
Paul,

Yup, exactly. Most of the places we like to go for weekends in the Rocky
Mountains do not have shore power, and it's disruptive to neighbors to run
the generator. There's room for two batteries up front under the passenger's
toes and one on the driver's side, just behind the steering gear. Besides, I
figured I could use the added up-front weight for traction.

Richard Guthart

>Richard:
>
>What led you to have two coach (so called "house" batteries, I assume?)
>wired together? Do you do more dry camping where you need the capacity as
>opposed to being plugged into shore power???
>
> Paul Bartz
>
>I have 3: a pair of 12v coach batteries wired in parallel (these are
charged
>by the first charging circuit of the Statpower) and one 12v engine battery
>(which I have hooked up to the second charging circuit of the Statpower.)
>
 
> How many people that monitor this net have more than 2 batteries in their
> coaches?
>
> I have to agree with Paul. My 73 came with three banks. One for the main
> engine, one for the house, both located front right pass. side and a third in
> the rear for the power plant.
> Take care..........JR

My 73 was exactly the same way. I have since had a new battery tray
fabricated (bolt in replacement) to use twin 6v golf cart batteries for house.
Stacy
 
Zak
I have the same configuration with three 12 volt size 24 deep cycle
house batteries in the gen compartment. I know that most large bus type
rigs run multiple house batteries in parallel. I have been toying with
the idea of going to two six volt golf cart batteries because I have
been told that a parallel bank is not a good idea. The theory or
reality is that if one cell in the bank is weak then it will drain all
of the others. I would appreciate you thoughts.
Thanks

Eric Tipton
etipton

-----Original Message-----
From: Zachary Zehnacker [mailto:zakz]
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 1998 2:58 PM
To: gmcmotorhome
Subject: RE: GMC: How many batteries in your
coaches?

Tom,

We have only 2 banks, but we have 3 batteries in the
house bank and 1 in
the starting bank. They are all 12 volt deep
cycle/starting, and the house
batteries are all in parallel. Apparently many people
have the Onan
battery as a separate bank to ensure that the Onan will
always have a good
battery. Our generator (Honda) draws off the house bank
(though the
starting battery probably would be better). We would
prefer a higher amp
capability, but we are seriously considering the 40
because of its good
features and low price.

I was wondering if the 40 has the 21 day cycle like the
40+. This seems
like a feature that would be nice to have for the winter
months when the
GMC rarely gets used, although probably not worth the
>$200 difference
between the 40 and 40+.

Zak

>I have never seen a GMC motorhome with more than 2
battery banks, although I
>am aware that it is possible. What you say is may be
true, however it would
>depend on how your batteries are used, what type they
are, and where they
>are mounted?
>
>There is a big difference between the two kinds of
batteries. The house
>battery is a deep cycle battery and is capable of
giving smaller amounts of
>current for a long period of time, and it does not
function well as a
>starting battery, or when drawing large amounts of
current . The engine
>battery on the other hand is selected for drawing large
amounts of current
>for a short period of time, ie; starting the engine.
>
>Bottom line is that if you have more than 2 battery
banks you need the 40+.
>
>How many people that monitor this net have more than 2
batteries in their
>coaches?
>