Good idea to remove a working mecanical fuel pump.

Here's the URL to reach the wiring diagram Kerry mentioned. The photos of
my installation are no longer accurate. I later moved the pumps to the
outside of the left frame rail and positioned the filters correctly before
the pumps.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/dual-electric-fuel-pumps-wiring-to-select-fuel-tank/p34379-dual-electric-fuel-pumps-to-eliminate-selector-valve.html

The return line photos need some explanation: My fuel line going forward
terminates in a homemade (10" x 12" aluminum pipe with welded end plates
and appropriate tapped holes) fuel accumulator. The return line to the
bottom of the Aux tank comes from that accumulator. The feed to the
carburetor was from the bottom of that device until I added EFI. Now, its
high pressure pump is fed from, and the return from the TBI regulator goes
into, that accumulator. I don't have vapor lock problems. And can replace
the pumps without dropping the tanks. (dig...dig) :-)

Ken H.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Kerry Pinkerton
wrote:

> I followed Ken Henderson's advice and removed the selector valve, ran two
> pumps with filters between the pumps and tanks and check valves after each
> pump. They are mounted outside the frame. I'm using the old tank switch
> on the dash with some relays to select which switch (tank) is in use. I
> also have a line running from a oil pressure switch that kills power to
> the relays and therefore shuts off the fuel pump if the engine loses oil
> pressure. In the I believe Ken posted a schematic somewhere in his
> albums. The only thing I did different was put an emergency fuel switch on
> the
> dash. If the engine were to loose oil pressure in the middle of an
> intersection or somewhere similar and I want to risk the engine in order to
> get to
> a save place, I can turn on the emergency switch, start the engine, and
> move the coach. I also use it as a fuel primer once in a while.
>
> Oh, and the mechanical pump is removed and blocked off. I believe two
> electric pumps is sufficient backup. Not to mention the extra 12 MPG I get
> because I'm not operating the fuel pump...... :)
>
> I have a drawing in the coach I think.
> --
>
 
Let me reinforce statements made here about using a safety shut down circuit utilizing an oil pressure switch. When I was fighting my engine fire
about 10 years ago, the fire was being fed by a stuck on electric fuel pump even though the engine was not running and the keys were removed from the
coach. It made it impossible to put out the fire. The only thing that saved me, the coach, my attached garage, and probably my house was a manually
operated battery disconnect switch located under the right side hood.

IF YOU ARE INSTALLING FULL TIME ELECTRIC FUEL PUMPS, BE SURE TO INCLUDE AN AUTOMATIC SHUT DOWN CIRCUIT such as an oil pressure switch or source power
from an isolator equipped alternator .

As a side note, relays occasional tack relay points and stay on, so do not rely on a relay to shut down the pump when the engine is off.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/engine-fire/p17605.html

--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
jimk,
How can I identify how old my mechanical fuel pump is? Is there a serial number to look for? Our coach runs very well with the mechanical fuel pump,
but we've only had it since August 2016. How recent should the mechanical fuel pump be to be ethanol resistant? The PO did install a backup electric
fuel pump (on a manual switch) for vapor lock issues, but we have not had to use it yet. So far we've only driven it about 1900 miles on short trips,
but in very hot conditions, and in stop and go traffic. I'm in Florida.

"On these old coaches your going to see more failed as they are old and the diaphragm cannot handle Ethanal.
Don't believe me, keep on running those old pumps"
--
Russell Keith

1978 Eleganza II

Dunedin, Florida
 
I would guess it was about 7 years ago when the manufactures overcame the
ethanal.
Cost of a mechanical pump is around 25, so it is not worth risking.

> jimk,
> How can I identify how old my mechanical fuel pump is? Is there a serial
> number to look for? Our coach runs very well with the mechanical fuel pump,
> but we've only had it since August 2016. How recent should the mechanical
> fuel pump be to be ethanol resistant? The PO did install a backup electric
> fuel pump (on a manual switch) for vapor lock issues, but we have not had
> to use it yet. So far we've only driven it about 1900 miles on short trips,
> but in very hot conditions, and in stop and go traffic. I'm in Florida.
>
>
> "On these old coaches your going to see more failed as they are old and
> the diaphragm cannot handle Ethanal.
> Don't believe me, keep on running those old pumps"
> --
> Russell Keith
>
> 1978 Eleganza II
>
> Dunedin, Florida
>
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Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
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