GMC Wheel Alignment Tool

claude brousson

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What sort of wheel alignment tools are you speaking of? Depending on
what you are refering to I might be interested.
Also someone told me that at the International meet someone was selling
a small laser device that enabled on to do away with the string
arrangement. Does anyone know about this, have one, or know what brand
this was?
Claude in Victoria
 
Claude

There was a laser device offered, and I think that at one of the bull
sessions it was described, but after a review of my notes and handouts, I
can't find anything. Chuck Stoddard did a "Suspension & Highway Stability"
seminor, maybe he can help.

Wayne Newland F9300 75 Palm Beach Columbia, Md

> What sort of wheel alignment tools are you speaking of? Depending on
> what you are refering to I might be interested.
> Also someone told me that at the International meet someone was selling
> a small laser device that enabled on to do away with the string
> arrangement. Does anyone know about this, have one, or know what brand
> this was?
> Claude in Victoria
 
Claude,

That's Darcy Moses - he was demonstrating this tool at Myrtle Beach and
there are some pictures on my site(follow the Myrtle Beach link from the
Rallies page). This only checks the toe of the rear wheels tho'. It uses
the front as a reference. I asked Darcy about using it to check the front
and he said he was thinking of modifying the tool for that.

That's what I know,
Patrick

>
> > Also someone told me that at the International meet someone
> > was selling a small laser device that enabled on to do away
> > with the string arrangement. Does anyone know about this,
> > have one, or know what brand this was?
 
Claude writes;

>What sort of wheel alignment tools are you speaking of? Depending on
>what you are refering to I might be interested.
>Also someone told me that at the International meet someone was selling
>a small laser device that enabled on to do away with the string
>arrangement. Does anyone know about this, have one, or know what brand
>this was?

I'm thinking a tool that can clamp onto the wheels of the GMC and permit
failsafe measurement of the toe in and 'aim' of each rear axle relative to
the front (so as to detect dogtracking and interaxle problems) of a given
unit is best. The primary purpose would be to permit fairly speedy
inspection of the state of alignment, without getting bad readings from bent
wheels or play in the bogies etc. Camber measurements can also easily be
taken, as can caster with a chart to convert camber readings at wheel angles
into caster figures. A tool like this must be indexed to the wheel bearing,
and not the wheel to get accurate readings. This is easy.

I think it would be important also that a tool like this could be left in
situ during subsequent adjustment so a person could make corrections if they
wished to. One important part would be to compile a chart of approximate
corrections needed at any given point (which and how many extra shims to use
as example) to bring the wheels back in line. One thought I've had is making
it a self correcting unit, with a go-no go reading, but this may not be
possible with every combination of wheel and tire on all units.

The two most serious issues for alignment on a GMC as I see it would be
ensuring that the rear axles do not try to dogtrack, and that they are very
slightly toed-in. The GMC suspension at the rear is rather unique in its
geometry among light vehicles, as it does not have any inherent 'roll steer'
as the coach leans in a corner. Most suspensions will steer ever so slightly
into a turn as the vehicle rolls. This lends stability and also helps
considerably with crosswind resistance. Slightly toed in rear wheels will
help in this respect I think, with no penaties for tire wear or economy.
Close control of toe and rear wheel camber will also make the greatest
difference for lane wandering on worn highways. Front alignment is not too
hard if the rear wheels are DEFINITELY KNOWN to be correct.

In any event, rebuilding and overhaul of bogie pins and related parts might
be needed for many coaches, so home wheel alignments might be beyond what
many owners are going to undertake in the driveway. But on a pretty good
coach, or one that has recently been serviced, just fine tuning alignment
would be very possible and straightforward.

I suspect the final unit would need a string as a guide between rear and
front axles. A laser sighted unit is perfectly possible and not hard to do,
but I would want things super simple and straightforward so that regardless
of mechanical apitiude a person could follow simple directions and come up
with accurate readings.

I made units for some of the cars I've owned thoughout the years, notable
was the Corvairs which share many aspects of the GMC- namely, different
front and rear track, and an extreme sensitivity to correct wheel alignment.
I'm blind in one eye, so the unit I use on the Corvair uses no string, but
just is 'eyeballed' over a nine foot distance. Naturally, this works better
for me than it would for everyone! Hence strings and lasers etc.

I certainly don't have a stranglehold on good ideas in this area, I'm sure
others would be able to improve on any design I could dream up.

Anyhow, I have sufficent materials around here to make several sets of units
for the GMC list at no cost to me, and am happy to pass these out for anyone
who would like to try. I'll also make a blueprint so those so inclined could
make thier own. I'll make a chart of correction values so that for example
is one rear wheel needs a certain shim to come back into correct alignment,
you can just look up what size shim and where it will be needed.

I'll try later this week to do a drawing of the theory involved and make it
available to anyone who is curious. Drop me a note if you are.

deville

Brent Covey
 
Frame rot can also be a significant factor in poor rear alignment - also
taking out of the realm of the average DIYer.

Patrick

>
> In any event, rebuilding and overhaul of bogie pins and
> related parts might be needed for many coaches, so home
> wheel alignments might be beyond what many owners are
> going to undertake in the driveway.
 
Here's an idea I've been kicking around in my mind. Make a mounting ring that
can be easily attached to the wheel (bungie cord, etc.) and would locate at the
outer edge of the wheel rim. On this mount a laser pointer, roughly at the
center of the wheel, pointing sideways- 90 degrees from the axis of the wheel.
Jack up the coach and wheel so the wheel is in a normal loaded position, but
able to turn freely. Then as you spin the wheel, the laser pointer will trace a
line on the pavement that is exactly parallel to the wheel's center line. Then
take a straight board (1 x 6 or so) about 8 ft. long and bracket it off the
frame rail, spaced out far enough so the laser beam falls about in the middle of
the board. Then mark the board with a series of parallel lines or tape strips
that are exactly parallel to the frame rails. Now as you rotate the wheel, it
will track along one of these lines- or if it crosses the lines as it moves from
one end of the board to the other, the tow-in is off. You could take this one
step farther by mounting another board at the end of the first board, but
pointing upward. With similar lines on it, and if it is mounted perfectly
straight up with respect to the plane of the frame, you could measure the camber
in the same way.

It's hard to describe in words, but maybe you can get the picture. What's
holding me back, other than available time, is what would I do if I find my
wheels are off (I think they are slightly- by eyball). I don't have any way to
bend the arms and I have a feeling that even shimming isn't a cake walk.

So why not give in and just go to a professional in the first place? Answer-
credibility and confidence.

Clark Searle
Mt. Pleasant, MI

> Claude writes;
>
> >What sort of wheel alignment tools are you speaking of? Depending on
> >what you are refering to I might be interested.
> >Also someone told me that at the International meet someone was selling
> >a small laser device that enabled on to do away with the string
> >arrangement. Does anyone know about this, have one, or know what brand
> >this was?
>
> I'm thinking a tool that can clamp onto the wheels of the GMC and permit
> failsafe measurement of the toe in and 'aim' of each rear axle relative to
> the front (so as to detect dogtracking and interaxle problems) of a given
> unit is best. The primary purpose would be to permit fairly speedy
> inspection of the state of alignment, without getting bad readings from bent
> wheels or play in the bogies etc. Camber measurements can also easily be
> taken, as can caster with a chart to convert camber readings at wheel angles
> into caster figures. A tool like this must be indexed to the wheel bearing,
> and not the wheel to get accurate readings. This is easy.
>
>
>
> deville
>
> Brent Covey