Exhaust/Tail Pipe

If you are going to put in 3" exhaust pipe to the, you are going to need the 3" pipe silicone mounts where the pipe goes through the frame. Jim K. at
Applied GMC is the only place I know where to get them.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
 
Vonda's coach came with 2 lengths of 3" stainless...enough to go from Y pipe to frame rail and frame rail to back...there is some obstical regarding
the bogie if I recall...other than the 3" silicon mounts, is there a modification required at the openings in the cross rail?
--
Sean and Stephanie
73 Ex-CanyonLands 26' #317 "Oliver"
Hubler 1-Ton, Quad-Bags, Rear Disc, Reaction Arms, P.Huber TBs, 3.70:1 LSD Honda 6500 inverter gen.

Colonial Travelers
 
Again, I appreciate all of the input. I am getting mixed responses here and via e-mail and private messages on what the best route is to proceed. If I
KNEW the coach could make it to Ken Frey, I'd just get it out there to him to do the exhaust.

The alternator on the coach is a 140 amp. I've been talking with a few others about that and there is a possibility it isn't wired right. Also a
possibility the belts are loose.

I do plan on going back to stock for the fans, but right now it is what it is. I have a line on 2 fans, but finding the shrouds are a different story.

I will write all of the information down to call the exhaust shop. If you all feel he also isn't the right person for the job, I will just buy the
system from applied, have it shipped and get under there and to it myself. At this point, I realize the girls and I will not be able to camp in the
coach before we have to leave next month for 2 family weddings. Our driveway will have to do hopefully next weekend when I finally have a break from
pet sitting.

I'll be honest, I really don't want to drive the coach another 20 miles with the exhaust the way it is. It's worrisome looking at it the way it is and
knowing the exhaust is basically blowing right near where the girls sit. Even with windows open, it just seems unsafe.
:?

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
> ...I do plan on going back to stock for the fans, but right now it is what it is. I have a line on 2 fans, but finding the shrouds are a different
> story. ...

http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/584
--
73 23' Sequoia 4 Sale
73 23' CanyonLands Parts Unit 4 Sale
Upper Alabama
"Every day I become more convinced that I am the only person left on the planet that recognizes nonsense for what it is."
 
> ...If I KNEW the coach could make it to Ken Frey, I'd just get it out there to him to do the exhaust. ...

How far away is Ken Frey?
--
73 23' Sequoia 4 Sale
73 23' CanyonLands Parts Unit 4 Sale
Upper Alabama
"Every day I become more convinced that I am the only person left on the planet that recognizes nonsense for what it is."
 
> If you are going to put in 3" exhaust pipe to the, you are going to need the 3" pipe silicone mounts where the pipe goes through the frame. Jim
> K. at Applied GMC is the only place I know where to get them.

Thank you for letting me know this. I already e-mailed the exhaust shop the coach is at and let them know this is a necessity and to please call me
prior to starting any work.

At this rate I am tempted to just buy the exhaust system from Applied and DIY.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
Vonda,

Please don't attempt the exhaust installation yourself. While I, with a
service rack, and lots of automotive repair experience, don't consider it a
BIG job, it is not one for a novice. Even with a pre-designed and
manufactured system like Applied's, there are always "adjustments" that
must be made. I don't have the impression that you have the experience and
tools for that job.

The fan's another proposition entirely: You probably can do that, with a
little guidance. As far as the shroud, don't even consider installing an
OEM shroud. The bracketry for that is absurdly complex. The aftermarket
shrouds from Applied GMC or Frank Jenkins are much better designs, easier
to install, more effective, and easier to R&R for future service (IF you
get one that's split so only the bottom 1/2 needs to be R&R'd).

JMHO,

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Vonda Walsh
wrote:

> Again, I appreciate all of the input. I am getting mixed responses here
> and via e-mail and private messages on what the best route is to proceed.
> If I
> KNEW the coach could make it to Ken Frey, I'd just get it out there to him
> to do the exhaust.
>
> The alternator on the coach is a 140 amp. I've been talking with a few
> others about that and there is a possibility it isn't wired right. Also a
> possibility the belts are loose.
>
> I do plan on going back to stock for the fans, but right now it is what it
> is. I have a line on 2 fans, but finding the shrouds are a different story.
>
>
> I will write all of the information down to call the exhaust shop. If you
> all feel he also isn't the right person for the job, I will just buy the
> system from applied, have it shipped and get under there and to it myself.
> At this point, I realize the girls and I will not be able to camp in the
> coach before we have to leave next month for 2 family weddings. Our
> driveway will have to do hopefully next weekend when I finally have a break
> from
> pet sitting.
>
> I'll be honest, I really don't want to drive the coach another 20 miles
> with the exhaust the way it is. It's worrisome looking at it the way it is
> and
> knowing the exhaust is basically blowing right near where the girls sit.
> Even with windows open, it just seems unsafe.
> :?
>
> Vonda
> '76 Eleganza II
> NWNJ
>
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Bob agrees with you totally, Ken.

He says you should get a 10-blade fan from Jim Kanomata, Vonda. (Since it
doesn't pull on the alternator, you won't be replacing alternators.) Costs
about $125. He also knows a GMCer in Texas that runs his without a shroud
with no problems. He goes to most Int'l rallies so he goes all over the
country.

JTTH.

Sandra Price

> Vonda,
>
> Please don't attempt the exhaust installation yourself. While I, with a
> service rack, and lots of automotive repair experience, don't consider it a
> BIG job, it is not one for a novice. Even with a pre-designed and
> manufactured system like Applied's, there are always "adjustments" that
> must be made. I don't have the impression that you have the experience and
> tools for that job.
>
> The fan's another proposition entirely: You probably can do that, with a
> little guidance. As far as the shroud, don't even consider installing an
> OEM shroud. The bracketry for that is absurdly complex. The aftermarket
> shrouds from Applied GMC or Frank Jenkins are much better designs, easier
> to install, more effective, and easier to R&R for future service (IF you
> get one that's split so only the bottom 1/2 needs to be R&R'd).
>
> JMHO,
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
> Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc., etc.
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Vonda Walsh

>
> > Again, I appreciate all of the input. I am getting mixed responses here
> > and via e-mail and private messages on what the best route is to proceed.
> > If I
> > KNEW the coach could make it to Ken Frey, I'd just get it out there to
> him
> > to do the exhaust.
> >
> > The alternator on the coach is a 140 amp. I've been talking with a few
> > others about that and there is a possibility it isn't wired right. Also a
> > possibility the belts are loose.
> >
> > I do plan on going back to stock for the fans, but right now it is what
> it
> > is. I have a line on 2 fans, but finding the shrouds are a different
> story.
> >
> >
> > I will write all of the information down to call the exhaust shop. If you
> > all feel he also isn't the right person for the job, I will just buy the
> > system from applied, have it shipped and get under there and to it
> myself.
> > At this point, I realize the girls and I will not be able to camp in the
> > coach before we have to leave next month for 2 family weddings. Our
> > driveway will have to do hopefully next weekend when I finally have a
> break
> > from
> > pet sitting.
> >
> > I'll be honest, I really don't want to drive the coach another 20 miles
> > with the exhaust the way it is. It's worrisome looking at it the way it
> is
> > and
> > knowing the exhaust is basically blowing right near where the girls sit.
> > Even with windows open, it just seems unsafe.
> > :?
> >
> > Vonda
> > '76 Eleganza II
> > NWNJ
> >
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The 77/78 shroud covers the entire radiator. And was simple to put on Barb's with the fan off. The 76 down doesn't look fun. Bod Dunahugh
 
The fiberglass replacements work fine and install fairly easily on the
early coaches, and are an improvement on the horse collar. For the extra
$20, the split shroud is a no-brainer.

Rick "start with the clutch and fan" Denney

> The 77/78 shroud covers the entire radiator. And was simple to put on
> Barb's with the fan off. The 76 down doesn't look fun. Bod Dunahugh
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73 x-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
Off-list email to rick at rickdenney dot com
 
After a long day of working on the coach, I'm reading the updated responses. I ended up pulling the coach out of the exhaust shop. They just clearly
had no respect for what it is we are all trying to do with these GMC's.

While I don't have every tool at my disposal, I did do exhaust work with my Dad on our '59 Chevy's. I have another friend who isn't a GMCer who works
for NJDOT (department of transportation). He has done exhaust work before and feels confident he could help me and he has the tools. I should note, I
did rebuild the carb on my '59 Chevy solo. If I have a manual and tools, I can typically fix anything. The GMC is a new thing for me because it has
all of the added electrical issues, but I've replaced an alternator before, so I won't be jumping into the exhaust work without making sure I can do
it right. I know it's nothing to mess with. I'll just admit at this point I'm not excited about trying to find another shop that has zero respect for
these GMC's when they say on the phone they do. :blush: :roll:

I did put a call in to Ken Frye but haven't heard back and I know he's a busy guy. If he has the time to do the exhaust, I will continue to trouble
shoot and fix the other issues and get the coach out to him. It's 80 miles and I've only made it 20 but I have towing included with my insurance.

Figured out the trouble with the alternator was a missing belt! I'm not sure if there was ever one there or not. I'm trying to go back through the
photos to see if it popped off at some point but I didn't hear a thing or see anything and I'm pretty good at being able to tell when something like
that happens. Fellow GMCer Scott doesn't remember for certain if he saw it there and he had let Sean know today it was missing, so Sean, if you see
this and remember seeing a belt there, let me know, ha ha.

Got the belt replaced today. Think we figured out the air compressor issue. Replaced a bad tail light. Previously had updated the very outdated (and
illegal) 50 amp plug to a new one and got the coach plugged in. ALL of the interior lights work except the far rear/driver's side and one of the
bathroom lights only has 1 bulb working. Got the vacuum working (hoooray, this made me super happy!!!). Scrubbed all of the interior windows, dash,
cabinets. Fridge works, light over oven works, fan over oven doesn't. Haven't tested propane system yet but it all looks good. Picking up new coach
battery by the end of the week so we can start troubleshooting the generator.

Overall, it was a very productive day! Tomorrow I'm going to work on a tune up and possibly an oil change, then to see if the air compressor actually
fills the air bags. Will also confirm if the battery held it's charge overnight and see how the new belt does again after running the engine tomorrow.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
G'day,

Ken is semi retired and does not work 5 days a week, this week he will be at
the shop Wednesday & Thursday.

I ga-ron-tee you he will do it right and the cost will be reasonable.

Regards,
Rob M.
The Pedantic Mechanic
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
USA '77 Kingsley - TZE 267V100808

-----Original Message-----
From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces] On Behalf Of Vonda
Walsh
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:49 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Exhaust/Tail Pipe

After a long day of working on the coach, I'm reading the updated responses.
I ended up pulling the coach out of the exhaust shop. They just clearly
had no respect for what it is we are all trying to do with these GMC's.

While I don't have every tool at my disposal, I did do exhaust work with my
Dad on our '59 Chevy's. I have another friend who isn't a GMCer who works
for NJDOT (department of transportation). He has done exhaust work before
and feels confident he could help me and he has the tools. I should note, I
did rebuild the carb on my '59 Chevy solo. If I have a manual and tools, I
can typically fix anything. The GMC is a new thing for me because it has
all of the added electrical issues, but I've replaced an alternator before,
so I won't be jumping into the exhaust work without making sure I can do
it right. I know it's nothing to mess with. I'll just admit at this point
I'm not excited about trying to find another shop that has zero respect for
these GMC's when they say on the phone they do. :blush: :roll:

I did put a call in to Ken Frye but haven't heard back and I know he's a
busy guy. If he has the time to do the exhaust, I will continue to trouble
shoot and fix the other issues and get the coach out to him. It's 80 miles
and I've only made it 20 but I have towing included with my insurance.

Figured out the trouble with the alternator was a missing belt! I'm not sure
if there was ever one there or not. I'm trying to go back through the
photos to see if it popped off at some point but I didn't hear a thing or
see anything and I'm pretty good at being able to tell when something like
that happens. Fellow GMCer Scott doesn't remember for certain if he saw it
there and he had let Sean know today it was missing, so Sean, if you see
this and remember seeing a belt there, let me know, ha ha.

Got the belt replaced today. Think we figured out the air compressor issue.
Replaced a bad tail light. Previously had updated the very outdated (and
illegal) 50 amp plug to a new one and got the coach plugged in. ALL of the
interior lights work except the far rear/driver's side and one of the
bathroom lights only has 1 bulb working. Got the vacuum working (hoooray,
this made me super happy!!!). Scrubbed all of the interior windows, dash,
cabinets. Fridge works, light over oven works, fan over oven doesn't.
Haven't tested propane system yet but it all looks good. Picking up new
coach battery by the end of the week so we can start troubleshooting the
generator.

Overall, it was a very productive day! Tomorrow I'm going to work on a tune
up and possibly an oil change, then to see if the air compressor actually
fills the air bags. Will also confirm if the battery held it's charge
overnight and see how the new belt does again after running the engine
tomorrow.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ

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2 things. If you have the stock muffler 2 to 1 Y you will need a 2.5" to 3" coupler at some point (maybe after the second curve).
Bob-- my 77 shroud does not duct the entire radiator, but I have 455 with 9/76 build date.
--
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
 
Thanks for the info about when Ken is in, that's very helpful! I will give him a call again today to see if I can get in touch with him.

I'll come back to the shroud info later. Headed out to work on the coach again for other things on the list while I have the time.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
Also, I went back through my photos. I only had one other of the alternator and belts. The belt was missing when I picked it up from the 1st
mechanic/exhaust shop. I honestly don't think it was ever there, but I will never know.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
Good choice Vonda,

Reading your posts I have no doubt you can do your own exhaust, it's not all that hard.

The hardest part is removing the old stuff usually.

I got all my tubing and clamps from carquest they had lots of 3" and mandrel bends

BTW before buying the silicone donuts, my 75 came with the 3" donuts even though it had 2 1/2 inch exhaust.

Lastly the rear mufler is the way to go if you can swing it. I put a flowmaster 80 back there and I'm happy. it COULD be a tad less rappy, but meh.

________________________________
From: Gmclist on behalf of Vonda Walsh
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:48:34 PM
To: gmclist
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Exhaust/Tail Pipe

After a long day of working on the coach, I'm reading the updated responses. I ended up pulling the coach out of the exhaust shop. They just clearly
had no respect for what it is we are all trying to do with these GMC's.

While I don't have every tool at my disposal, I did do exhaust work with my Dad on our '59 Chevy's. I have another friend who isn't a GMCer who works
for NJDOT (department of transportation). He has done exhaust work before and feels confident he could help me and he has the tools. I should note, I
did rebuild the carb on my '59 Chevy solo. If I have a manual and tools, I can typically fix anything. The GMC is a new thing for me because it has
all of the added electrical issues, but I've replaced an alternator before, so I won't be jumping into the exhaust work without making sure I can do
it right. I know it's nothing to mess with. I'll just admit at this point I'm not excited about trying to find another shop that has zero respect for
these GMC's when they say on the phone they do. :blush: :roll:

I did put a call in to Ken Frye but haven't heard back and I know he's a busy guy. If he has the time to do the exhaust, I will continue to trouble
shoot and fix the other issues and get the coach out to him. It's 80 miles and I've only made it 20 but I have towing included with my insurance.

Figured out the trouble with the alternator was a missing belt! I'm not sure if there was ever one there or not. I'm trying to go back through the
photos to see if it popped off at some point but I didn't hear a thing or see anything and I'm pretty good at being able to tell when something like
that happens. Fellow GMCer Scott doesn't remember for certain if he saw it there and he had let Sean know today it was missing, so Sean, if you see
this and remember seeing a belt there, let me know, ha ha.

Got the belt replaced today. Think we figured out the air compressor issue. Replaced a bad tail light. Previously had updated the very outdated (and
illegal) 50 amp plug to a new one and got the coach plugged in. ALL of the interior lights work except the far rear/driver's side and one of the
bathroom lights only has 1 bulb working. Got the vacuum working (hoooray, this made me super happy!!!). Scrubbed all of the interior windows, dash,
cabinets. Fridge works, light over oven works, fan over oven doesn't. Haven't tested propane system yet but it all looks good. Picking up new coach
battery by the end of the week so we can start troubleshooting the generator.

Overall, it was a very productive day! Tomorrow I'm going to work on a tune up and possibly an oil change, then to see if the air compressor actually
fills the air bags. Will also confirm if the battery held it's charge overnight and see how the new belt does again after running the engine tomorrow.

Vonda
'76 Eleganza II
NWNJ

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Removal is easy. Unbolt from the header/manifold flanges appropriate. Take your Sawzall and remove it piecemeal, paying attention to where the
saw blade is going.

--johnny
--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased
 
Vonda and All, Lets look at some pictures of the stock factory exhaust=
system that is behind the mufflers until the turn going down the exhaust p=
ipe. The system from the exhaust manifolds to the mufflers are 2.25inches =
in diameter. Muffler exit to the =E2=80=9CY=E2=80=9D is also 2.25 inches i=
n diameter. For the rest of the factory stock was 2.5 inches diameter. =
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g7045-factory-stock-25-inch-exhaust-sy=
stem.html The pictures show how the exhaust pipe and =E2=80=9CY=
=E2=80=9D are layout. The =E2=80=9Cmuffler bearing=E2=80=9D which to d=
egrade over the years are a 3=E2=80=9D size which is why the 3=E2=80=9D sle=
eve is used on the 2.5 inch system. This piping is a factory stock system =
that had failed with pin hole leaks its length to the end on the 77 Eleganz=
a II with 403 motor. It was at that time (2006) that I redid the system to=
a 3=E2=80=9D from the mufflers back using Jim K parts to the 90 going bac=
k and the side exit tail pipe end. I had previously put the Thorley header=
s on the coach when the CI exhaust manifolds were leaking badly. Muffl=
er Bearings http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/1180 You ma=
y only need the Silicon rubber piece if your bracket can be cleaned and pai=
nted. You can use all or parts of a 2.5=E2=80=9D or 3=E2=80=9D system =
from Jim K as I have done for both my 2.5=E2=80=9D and 3=E2=80=9D installs.=
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/667 http://www.appliedgmc=
.com/prod.itml/icOid/666 3 years ago I replaced the 3=E2=80=9D exhaust=
system on the Stretch coach to a mostly SS setup. Stainless from the head=
er pipes to the 90 degree turn going to the rear and an SS tail pipe end as=
sembly on the end. I chose to use 3=E2=80=9D aluminized exhaust pipe that =
runs to the rear tail pipe, typical you can buy them from a muffler shop in=
8 foot sections and they do fit into the coach from the rear. To remove t=
he old stuff cut it into pieces to ease the removal. Use WD40 or other to =
remove from the muffler bearings. DO NOT use any tubing that has been bell=
mouth on one end to run from front to back as the bell mouth will not fit =
thru the muffler bearings. I use only SS band clamps to assemble the entir=
e setup. The only bell mouths sections are one side of the 90 going back a=
nd the SS tail pipe assembly. The important thing here is to tighten the b=
and clamps to 60 ftlbs (as per Jim K) when using them. If you don=E2=80=
=99t the system WILL at one time or another separate at one joint or anothe=
r (Don't ask me how I know). Jim K has the best pricing for the SS band cl=
amps as you will need several 2.5=E2=80=9D clamps (4) and a number of 3=
=E2=80=9D clamps (6), even beat my local pricing. I also recommend the=
Remflex Gaskets if you also redoing the headers or manifolds. http://=
www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/670 I again say get them from Jim K=
as he buys in bulk and they can be considerable less from him that from bu=
ying directly from Remflex or my local supplier which typically you get no =
real discounts. You can hunt up the SS stuff locally or online, but yo=
ur best bang for the buck is buying all or part of the SS kit either in the=
2.5 inch version or the 3=E2=80=9D version and the cost will be similar to=
buy from Jim K and it will fit the first time with doing any fiddling. No=
n of this is really hard to do, just get the coach up on jack stands and ge=
t the old out and the new fit in. I used a sawzall to cut it into pieces =
for easy removal. You can get a cheap one from Harbor Freight that will wo=
rk just fine cheap. and some blade=
s too Just what has worked fo=
r me, your results may vary! JR Wright GMC Great Laker MHC GMC =
Eastern States Charter Member GMCGL Tech Editor GMCMI 78 GMC Buskirk =
30=E2=80=99 Stretch 1975 GMC Avion (Under Reconstruction) Michigan =
> On May 31, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Keith V wrote: > =
> Good choice Vonda, > > Reading your posts I have no doubt you can=
do your own exhaust, it's not all that hard. > > The hardest part is =
removing the old stuff usually. > > I got all my tubing and clamps fro=
m carquest they had lots of 3" and mandrel bends > > > BTW before b=
uying the silicone donuts, my 75 came with the 3" donuts even though it had=
2 1/2 inch exhaust. > > > Lastly the rear muffler is the way to go=
if you can swing it. I put a flowmaster 80 back there and I'm happy. it CO=
ULD be a tad less rappy, but meh. > > ________________________________=
 
Update: Ken called me first thing Wednesday and said he could do the exhaust yesterday and he did. He actually completed the work along with some work
on the fuel line to fix something strange the PO had done for under the price he originally quoted. It was totally worth the 99.4 mile drive out
there. Fellow GMCer Scott and I installed a temporary exhaust to get out to Ken (which Ken approved, ha). The only thing lost was one hubcap on the
drive home. I circled back around to find it, but found many, many hubcaps there and none were mine. If it weren't during the height of traffic, I
would have searched harder. I'm fairly certain it ended up rolling down a very steep embankment. Thankfully I have a spare I'm going to run out and
put on today.

Thanks for all of the encouragement and knowledge. It only took a full month for a "new tail pipe". I knew I was at home at Ken's shop when we pulled
around back to see 3 GMC's in the back. Then there was a '78 Eleganza in the bay next to mine. Well worth the gas and 2 hour drive to meet Ken and
learn a few extra tips!

Vonda
"76 Eleganza II
NWNJ
 
Vonda,

great to hear your positive notes. Ken is my mechanic of choice as well,
and my current GMC is located in Virginia... Well worth the extra miles,
instead of having to try local shops.

--
Best regards

Peer Oliver Schmidt
PGP Key ID: 0x83E1C2EA

'76a Eleganza II, VA