Cooling system

steven d. ferguson

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But what about sailing down the highway with all that air coming
through the radiator. If
the clutch fan does not need to run in this case, does the thermostat
then
regain the task of regulating?

I'd like to butt in here.
I do not believe that there is much of a ram-air effect in these
coaches. Like anything else, air will follow the path of least
resistance. The radiators in these coaches just sit in front of the
engine, there are no baffles directing the air that passes through the
grill to the radiator, consequently, the air mostly just goes around. I
had a terrible overheating problem with my GMC (mostly due to my own
ignorance about clutch fans) when I first purchased it. The temp gauge
would hit the half way mark (original sending unit) and stay there until
I started up the Alpine grade east of San Diego, then it would rocket
upwards until coolant puked everywhere. The entire problem was the
clutch fan. It never locked up. So here I am at the top of the grade,
refilled with water, temp gauge at the halfway mark again. (Remember, I
thought this reading was "normal") I start down the grade, 4 miles or
so.....the temp gauge never dropped lower than the halfway mark even
though I was moving over 65 mph with almost no throttle and even
touching the brakes occasionally. If any "ram air" was getting through
that radiator the temp should have dropped. It didn't. So now I read
about fan clutches in the archives & the light comes on...duhhhhh.
Hayden 2797 installed, back on the grade, half way to the top of the
grade the temp finally moves past the one quarter mark to just past the
half-way mark & the fan clutch locks up. The temp dropped so fast I
almost missed it. If any ram air is passing through the radiator, I
have to believe it is only a nominal amount and not enough to rely on
for any real cooling effect.
I met a neighboring GMC owner a couple of weeks ago who had baffled
the air flow from the grill through the radiator. Nice job, looks
simple and also looks like it belongs there. I'm going to stop by and
throw some before & after type questions at him. I did ask him why he
had cut-outs on the sides of the baffles & he said that he thought the
engine compartment was getting too hot & needed some air flow through it
that didn't come through the radiator first.
Maybe I'll talk to him today......after I replace my clutch fan, for
some reason after just a couple of hundre miles on it, it decided to
fail in the "locked" position. This thing sounds like the Wright Bros.
coming down the highway.
Steve Ferguson
San Diego
 
|Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:54 AM
|...there are no baffles directing the air that passes through the
|grill to the radiator, consequently, the air mostly just goes around.

My '77 Kingsley has two 'guides' on each side of the radiator with flat
rubber strips that almost touch the grill.

Just adding this to the discussion for what it's worth.

|...after I replace my clutch fan, for
|some reason after just a couple of hundre miles on it, it decided to
|fail in the "locked" position. This thing sounds like the Wright Bros.
|coming down the highway.

I had a new 2747 that had this problem right out of the box.

mg
 
The later model coaches came with baffles on each side of the radiator.
If you have a coach without the baffles you can make them out of Sheet
metal and mount them on either side of the radiator supports. I also
have the Hayden 2797 Severe Duty fan and it works as advertised. The
2797 moves air at low speed and slowly cuts out at about thirty five
miles per hour. Granted it makes noise as it engages, but I know that
it is doing its job correctly. If you never hear your clutch fan engage
chances are that it is not working. I also have a spoiler that I build
mounted just in front of the radiator that increases the volume of air
that passes thru the radiator. See my site for pictures at:
http://users.tm.net/powerjon/GMCproto.html I have had several of these
being tested by other GMC'ers and one reports that his fan clutch does
not engage as often as before the spoiler had been installed. I am
starting to take orders for winter delivery if your interested E-mail me
off-line with your questions.

J.R. Wright
GMC GreatLaker
77 Eleganza II
Michigan

>

> |Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:54 AM
> |...there are no baffles directing the air that passes through the
> |grill to the radiator, consequently, the air mostly just goes around.
>
> My '77 Kingsley has two 'guides' on each side of the radiator with flat
> rubber strips that almost touch the grill.
>
> Just adding this to the discussion for what it's worth.
>
> |...after I replace my clutch fan, for
> |some reason after just a couple of hundre miles on it, it decided to
> |fail in the "locked" position. This thing sounds like the Wright Bros.
> |coming down the highway.
>
> I had a new 2747 that had this problem right out of the box.
>
> mg
 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-gmcmotorhome
> [mailto:owner-gmcmotorhome]On Behalf Of Steven D.
> Ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 8:54 AM
> To: gmcmotorhome
> Subject: GMC: Cooling system
>
Steve
ive got a 78 EII and it has baffles behind grill on each side of the
rad...looks original to me..
jim white
78 EII

>
> But what about sailing down the highway with all that air coming
> through the radiator. If
> the clutch fan does not need to run in this case, does the thermostat
> then
> regain the task of regulating?
>
> I'd like to butt in here.
> I do not believe that there is much of a ram-air effect in these
> coaches. Like anything else, air will follow the path of least
> resistance. The radiators in these coaches just sit in front of the
> engine, there are no baffles directing the air that passes through the
> grill to the radiator, consequently, the air mostly just goes around. I
> had a terrible overheating problem with my GMC (mostly due to my own
> ignorance about clutch fans) when I first purchased it. The temp gauge
> would hit the half way mark (original sending unit) and stay there until
> I started up the Alpine grade east of San Diego, then it would rocket
> upwards until coolant puked everywhere. The entire problem was the
> clutch fan. It never locked up. So here I am at the top of the grade,
> refilled with water, temp gauge at the halfway mark again. (Remember, I
> thought this reading was "normal") I start down the grade, 4 miles or
> so.....the temp gauge never dropped lower than the halfway mark even
> though I was moving over 65 mph with almost no throttle and even
> touching the brakes occasionally. If any "ram air" was getting through
> that radiator the temp should have dropped. It didn't. So now I read
> about fan clutches in the archives & the light comes on...duhhhhh.
> Hayden 2797 installed, back on the grade, half way to the top of the
> grade the temp finally moves past the one quarter mark to just past the
> half-way mark & the fan clutch locks up. The temp dropped so fast I
> almost missed it. If any ram air is passing through the radiator, I
> have to believe it is only a nominal amount and not enough to rely on
> for any real cooling effect.
> I met a neighboring GMC owner a couple of weeks ago who had baffled
> the air flow from the grill through the radiator. Nice job, looks
> simple and also looks like it belongs there. I'm going to stop by and
> throw some before & after type questions at him. I did ask him why he
> had cut-outs on the sides of the baffles & he said that he thought the
> engine compartment was getting too hot & needed some air flow through it
> that didn't come through the radiator first.
> Maybe I'll talk to him today......after I replace my clutch fan, for
> some reason after just a couple of hundre miles on it, it decided to
> fail in the "locked" position. This thing sounds like the Wright Bros.
> coming down the highway.
> Steve Ferguson
> San Diego
>