Braking

darren paget

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I have another way to look at all of this braking stuff. How about if we just
consider that GM did us all a favor and provided the first ANTI-LOCK braking
system ever put into production. :)
IMO any wheel which locks up is useless to you after it locks. Don't forget
you are trying to stop 11,000# with a car braking system. I am sure you all
drive so that a lockup situation would never happen and this is all, just in
case. Which brings it back to, Why would you want to able to lock them up?
Sounds like some real life tests are required here. Impending lockup, is close
to what the GM does with the stock system, which is what we are looking for any
way. Some people would like easier pedal pressure. A good thing if you want it.
My SWAG would be that antilock brakes on pickups were because unladen trucks
would lock up easily and the AL was installed to prevent this. A loaded pickup
is less likely to lock up.
I think it is a given that the front wheels do more of the braking which is
evident by the fact that you will be replacing pads far more often than you
replace the rear shoes. IMO As long as my GM stops on demand I will be a
happy camper. My $0.032 Canadian. Darren

> Rick,
> I don't know the mechanics or engineering computations for braking,
> but if Arch's driveway was a sheet of ice instead of gravel, would his front
> brakes lockup with his existing brake pressure but not lock up on the gravel
> with the same pressure? When the rear wheels lock up first on ice, does the
> coach react differently than when they lock up first on ice?
> I hope I never learn by experience, so thought I'd ask.
>
> Andy M
> 75 PB
>
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Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
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Darren,
You stated "Impending lockup, is close to what the GM does with the stock
system". Do you have any data to back up that statement? My well
maintained system is doesn't get anywhere near lockup. Also, it's my
understanding that ABS systems sense a locked wheel and release it. Until a
wheel locks, it doesn't do anything. I cannot emulate an anti-skid system
with my foot (a feat that I have been perfecting for about 54 years) unless
the brakes are good enough to lock.
Bob McLaughlin
 
I was only commenting that, it seems the stock system works well if it is
maintained. When I stepped hard on the pedal when I first drove the GM home
loaded with a huge pile of extra parts, it stopped nicely and was close to the
impending lockup point. I can't give a real time scenario since I got home as
the GM is nearly empty and would probably weigh about 7000 # at this time. Car
manufacturers are spending a great deal of money and time perfecting the abs
systems. We just about have that now, on dry pavement. Any one who has done or
is doing a complete brake upgrade, it would be interesting to see the stopping
differences with the same coach on each system. Only my opinions are expressed
here and usually most people ignore me anyway. I still like the way my well
maintained system stops my coach. Darren

> Darren,
> You stated "Impending lockup, is close to what the GM does with the stock
> system". Do you have any data to back up that statement? My well
> maintained system is doesn't get anywhere near lockup. Also, it's my
> understanding that ABS systems sense a locked wheel and release it. Until a
> wheel locks, it doesn't do anything. I cannot emulate an anti-skid system
> with my foot (a feat that I have been perfecting for about 54 years) unless
> the brakes are good enough to lock.
> Bob McLaughlin

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Darren Paget
76 Experimental
Another Fab Day
http://www.TZEplus.com
 
Darren,
I think you hit the nail on the head about weight. If our weight is varying
from 7,000# to 12,000# its certainly affecting our braking capabilities and
our individual description of what's happening. We all need to convert to
your light weight aluminum gadgets.
Bob McLaughlin

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