Airtex E3902 in-tank fuel pump now only $19.99

Mark,

If you've experienced the stumbling only during hot weather, I'd guess that
you've experienced "almost vapor lock". The symptoms don't sound to me
like fuel pump -- the 59 (IIRC) lb/hr Holley injectors required close to 20
psi and the Rochester 80 lb/hr only 12-13 psi. So pressure should not be
the problem and the pump should easily provide adequate volume --
especially at the low speeds you mentioned.

The whole world will give you corrective actions for vapor lock -- IF your
conditions make that likely.

Ken H.

> ...

Any chance you remember what the symptoms the 60 vs 80 pound injectors
> were? My coach had a Howell TBI installed on it when I purchased it, and I
> periodically get an engine stumble coupled with a check engine light that
> throws a lean run code... It seems to happen most after sustained running
> at a given throttle setting, and then some sort of major change... For
> example getting off of the highway after a sustained run, or getting on the
> highway after a sustained run on surface streets.
>
> The stumble goes away after a short period, and from what I understood
> there was not much to "tune" on the non-EBL Howells, other than the fuel
> pressure, so it's been on the back burner for some time...
>
> I did take the time to install a fuel pressure gauge, and I am not seeing
> any sort of drop in pressure when the stumbles occur... My next step was to
> install a wideband just to see where the setup had me running mixture-wise
> and go from there...
>
> Gonna go out and check the part number on my injectors shortly...
>
> --
> Mark S. '73 Painted Desert,
> Manny 1 Ton Front End,
> Howell Injection,
> Leigh Harrison 4bag and Rear Brakes,
> Fort Worth, TX
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Bingo! That sounds just like the setup I'm describing in my old BMW. The only difference is that instead of the surge tank, it has an hockey puck
sized fuel pressure dampener to modulate fuel pressure pulsations between two fuel pumps.
I think I might go in this direction - two low pressure pumps in tanks, and a booster pump for the injectors. Interesting idea about plumbing a
parallel pump for backup. Do you think you'll need to have a set of check valves on them to prevent fuel from forcing it's way back through the
non-running pump?

> Vadim,
>
> Before I installed EFI, I installed a "surge tank" (a 12" section of 10"OD
> aluminum tube with appropriate ports tapped into the 1/4" thick sides).
> Into that, I plumbed the two Carter 4070 (~5 psi) pumps which I'd installed
> on the Aux. & Main tanks. The return from that was the one I described
> earlier into the Aux. drain plug.
>
> The EFI's high pressure pump is supplied from that surge tank and the
> throttle body's return line feeds into that tank. So, I always have ~1
> gallon of fuel which has definitely been purged of any vapor available for
> the EFI. I've never had vapor lock.
>
> The one change I've contemplated for this system is another high pressure
> pump in parallel with the current one -- purely for redundancy.
>
> Ken H.

--
Vadim Jitkov
'76 Glenbrook 26'
Pullman, WA
 
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I do have a parts book and a full owners manual for our unit. I think I'm good for now.

Another fuel pump related question: I have an '86 BMW which I use as a towd. It has one of the most unusual fuel supply setups. It has one fuel pump
in the tank (it is a low pressure pump) and then a high pressure inline booster pump for the fuel injection system. Has anyone considered or tried to
use that type of a setup on a GMC? It might be useful with those low pressure fuel pump
......::
 
Vadim,

I have check valves where the two low pressure pumps are tee'd together.
They're not really necessary with the Carter 4070's, but there's no way to
predict the characteristics of a pump I MIGHT have to install on the road
somewhere. I'd be even more inclined to isolate high pressure pumps.

Ken H.

> ...

Do you think you'll need to have a set of check valves on them to prevent
> fuel from forcing it's way back through the
> non-running pump?
>
>
 
Mark S.
Look at the top of your injectors on the Holley TBI. If they are rounded at the top then you have 80pph injectors and that is good. If they are flat
on top with the plug going into the side at the top, then they are approx 60pph injectors.

If they are 60pph injectors, then you need to turn the fuel pressure up to get them to flow at 80pph rate. The Holley throttle body has an adjustable
fuel pressure regulator, but they regulator's top end is about 18psi and they really need about 20psi.

The symptoms of small injectors are stumbling when you press on the accelerator (tip in stumble) because there is not enough fuel flow for the
required accelerator pump action. You may even get a bit of stumble during deceleration (deceleration enrichment mode). More scary is during heavy
acceleration the small injectors at standard 13psi do not give enough fuel for Power Enrichment mode, leaving the engine running lean.

I could only get my regulator to be somewhat stable in the 17.5psi range. So that's why I went to a Rochester TB with the bigger injectors.
No issues now.

--
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
 
Didn't FiTech change either the FCC or the mounting directions for it?

--johnny

--
76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
"I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell" - ol Andy, paraphrased